October 11, 20187 yr 23 minutes ago, skelsey said: Bill -- I'm 100% certain it's the trim. To replicate what Ken's situation is, what happens if you hold the stick out of centre and then try and engage the autopilot? That's what he's doing... of course the ap wont engage since your holding the joystick out of centre, since just tried it then held the stick out of centre ap would not engage, soon as I released stick to centre ap engage with no issues ps didn't touch the trim at any stage which suggest its the op joystick is at fault. Only way to find out if it is for the op to remove his joystick and use the key board controls Edited October 11, 20187 yr by pete_auau I7-8700k,Corsair h1101 cooler ,Asus Strix Gaming Intel Z370 S11 motherboard, Corsair 32gb ramDD4,, gtx 1080ti Card, RM850 power supply Peter kelberg
October 11, 20187 yr 12 minutes ago, pete_auau said: of course the ap wont engage since your holding the joystick out of centre, since just tried it then held the stick out of centre ap would not engage, soon as I released stick to centre ap engage with no issues ps didn't touch the trim at any stage which suggest its the op joystick is at fault. Only way to find out if it is for the op to remove his joystick and use the key board controls Pete, That's exactly what people are saying about it being out of trim. Ken has disconnected the power cable which returns his joystick to the centre postion, therefore when he lets go of it it stays exactly where it is, i.e. it does not return to centre. So yes, it kind of is his joystick but only because he has changed the way it operates. If he restores the centreing function then he will be able to do as you and Bill describe and all will be well! Simon Kelsey
October 11, 20187 yr 12 minutes ago, skelsey said: Pete, That's exactly what people are saying about it being out of trim. Ken has disconnected the power cable which returns his joystick to the centre postion, therefore when he lets go of it it stays exactly where it is, i.e. it does not return to centre. So yes, it kind of is his joystick but only because he has changed the way it operates. If he restores the centreing function then he will be able to do as you and Bill describe and all will be well! Yep, but I keep saying one way to find out if it his joystick either its not returning to centre to which some thing else could be wrong with his joystick other than the springs etc is for him to completely remove his joystick from his pc and use the key boards to test if he has the same issues, other than doing this we are going around in circles here I7-8700k,Corsair h1101 cooler ,Asus Strix Gaming Intel Z370 S11 motherboard, Corsair 32gb ramDD4,, gtx 1080ti Card, RM850 power supply Peter kelberg
October 11, 20187 yr 6 minutes ago, pete_auau said: Yep, but I keep saying one way to find out if it his joystick either its not returning to centre to which some thing else could be wrong with his joystick other than the springs etc is for him to completely remove his joystick from his pc and use the key boards to test if he has the same issues, other than doing this we are going around in circles here Normally I'd agree with your approach to troubleshooting -- the point though is that the fact his joystick isn't centering is not in dispute -- we know, and Ken knows, it is not centering because it has deliberately been made so. Yes, one would expect it to work with the keyboard (perhaps: how does the pitch axis behave when controlled using the keyboard? Does it 'spring' back to centre or if you make an input is the yoke held back in that position, as is the case with the mouse yoke, in which case it still won't work) -- but that won't actually prove anything unless the centering function is restored on the joystick... Simon Kelsey
October 11, 20187 yr Author 1 hour ago, BillC said: just let go of the stick (spring centered) and engage AP, job done. It's not the correct way to do it but it works anyway. So, something other than trim is causing the problem. IMO. No, it's not the correct way. I was holding the yoke back following the flight director bars, as stated in the manual. But I haven't been trimming the airplane so that I'm not having to told back pressure. Try it. If you hold the yoke back, the auto-pilot will not engage if there's quite a bit of force being exerted on the yoke. Ken.
October 11, 20187 yr Author 13 hours ago, Ephedrin said: Ken, I found this When checking the elevator she holds it back to center but doesn‘t move it herself. Yes, that's a great video. It does return to center, but it doesn't look like it returns with as much force as a spring joystick. But it does return to center. It also looks like the pitch returns to center. Ken.
October 11, 20187 yr Author 1 hour ago, skelsey said: Bill -- I'm 100% certain it's the trim. To replicate what Ken's situation is, what happens if you hold the stick out of centre and then try and engage the autopilot? That's what he's doing... That's correct. Ken.
October 11, 20187 yr On 10/9/2018 at 9:30 PM, kmanning said: Hi all, In the actual 737NGX, you turn the yoke either fully left or right and you let go of it, does it actually return to center? Ken. Yes the yoke will centre itself if hydraulic pressure is available. This centring applies in both pitch and roll axes. Re force feedback joysticks, this isn’t very realistic as typically implemented. But disconnecting the power to disable all feedback is even less realistic. It might feel like a Cessna on the ground but in flight aero forces will centre the controls quite strongly. With powered flight controls, as in the 737, this is even more the case. FS Force might be a solution for you but only if you also reconnect the power to your joystick. That is essential to any solution. Edited October 11, 20187 yr by kevinh
October 11, 20187 yr Author Hi all, I thought I've mentioned this but I have reconnected the power cable and the joystick has the return to center force. I've made several flights in the 737NGX and when I trimmed the airplane to relieve the back pressure and so that it holds the same pitch when I let it go, the auto-pilot has worked every time so far. Ken.
October 11, 20187 yr 11 hours ago, pete_auau said: of course the ap wont engage since your holding the joystick out of centre, since just tried it then held the stick out of centre ap would not engage, soon as I released stick to centre ap engage with no issues ps didn't touch the trim at any stage which suggest its the op joystick is at fault. Only way to find out if it is for the op to remove his joystick and use the key board controls No need for him to do that. I already did that a while back once when I was too lazy to grab my joystick from the top shelf of the truck for a quick test of something. If you use the keyboard, you would have to know when the elevators are actually centered because if it's not centered, the autopilot won't engage. The only way to know that would be by looking at the flight control indicators. Captain Kevin Air Kevin 124 heavy, wind calm, runway 4 left, cleared for take-off. Live streams of my flights here.
October 12, 20187 yr 7 hours ago, Captain Kevin said: No need for him to do that. I already did that a while back once when I was too lazy to grab my joystick from the top shelf of the truck for a quick test of something. If you use the keyboard, you would have to know when the elevators are actually centered because if it's not centered, the autopilot won't engage. The only way to know that would be by looking at the flight control indicators. well it a simple test to find out anyway the op has it solved Edited October 12, 20187 yr by pete_auau I7-8700k,Corsair h1101 cooler ,Asus Strix Gaming Intel Z370 S11 motherboard, Corsair 32gb ramDD4,, gtx 1080ti Card, RM850 power supply Peter kelberg
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