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Intolerable framerate under I7-8700k and RTX2080

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3 minutes ago, fluffyflops said:

Fantastic,

once again let's see a video with settings half decent with a payware a/c like the fsl or 777 into lhr, lax, sfo, lgw, hkg, mad, ams, yyz. 

It will no doubt look better than fsx, hell you'll even get there without an oom (which is a god send)  but it will still stutter like a rabid dog all the way down the ils like it did in fsx.  'Multicore, Changes to move scenery and terrain processing onto multiple parallel threads, enabling modern multi-core CPUs to distribute even more workload away from the primary thread...not the same. Use of advanced material rendering and lighting...not the same. Support for virtual reality display systems..'  these are all wonder and make my pants wet, but no matter what, it will still stutter and have gash proformance and you know it. 

 

OK, you are overloading the camel... and you blame the camel (and its ancestors..)  :wink:

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Just now, Bert Pieke said:

OK, you are overloading the camel... and you blame the camel (and its ancestors..)  :wink:

No people on here think the camel has been genetically modified by science or tony Robins.  It's still a dirty  old camel with a snazzy saddle thats all 

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41 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

OK, you are overloading the camel... and you blame the camel (and its ancestors..)  :wink:

😂

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An overloaded camel trying to get in to London Heathrow.  I can't top that.

 

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Those animals have a mind of their own,,,😆

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6 minutes ago, newtie said:

Those animals have a mind of their own,,,😆

Yep, they give me the "Hump"

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19 hours ago, 0Artur0 said:

Even the computer that runs our simulation of the universe would have issues running P3D in some situations 😉

 

LOL...  A computer does not run our Universe, a "Mentat" does...  With the spice Melange the Mentat lives eternally and has no issues with anything (if you've read the Dune series, you'll know what I am getting at <wink>)

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The Sim is called : Prepar3d , so not only be prepared for a smooth ride ( read: flight ), but also for blurries and stutt.t.t.t.t.ers 🤓

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On 6/24/2019 at 7:07 PM, w6kd said:

Each generation of new CPUs has produced improvements in single-core performance, through the combined effects of increasing the clock rate, and also by improving the instruction pipelining to increase the average instructions-per-clock cycle (IPC). 

 

Not true for the last generations 🙂

A 4770k has almost the same single core performance as a top 2019 CPU.

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Very happy with my 4770k.

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27 minutes ago, swiesma said:

Not true for the last generations 🙂

A 4770k has almost the same single core performance as a top 2019 CPU.

Well, to be honest, this is only true if you assume that all 4770K users have their CPU overclocked to 4.3-4.5GHz on all cores. When comparing stock clocks, the 9900K (as "top 2019 CPU") comes with a whopping 5.0GHz single core turbo (compared to the 3.9GHz single core turbo) and together with the completely newer backbone (chipset, DDR4 RAM), a 9900K will outperform a 4770K in almost any current single core benchmark by a margin that is not only explainable with the different clock rates.

As a user that switched from a 3770K running at 4.5GHz with 2133MHz DDR3 RAM to a 8700K running at 5.0GHz with 3200MHz DDR4 RAM (both builds using the same 1080Ti), all I can say that the difference in P3D was huge. And certainly bigger than the 11% clock difference would explain.

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Passmark Single-Thread-Performances:

9900K - Result: 2899 (Rank: 2 behind 9900KF)
4770K - Result: 2250 (Rank: 109)

Just saying.

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26 minutes ago, swiesma said:

Not true for the last generations 🙂

A 4770k has almost the same single core performance as a top 2019 CPU.

Nice try, but no.  The Devil's Canyon CPUs won't run reliably at 5+ GHz like the Coffee Lake chips.  Best I could do with the 4790K was 4.7 HT off without crazy voltages.  Silicon Lottery reported that 100% of the 8086K chips they tested did 5 GHz, and well over half could run at 5.2 GHz.  Multiply that by a 10-15% IPC gain, and it's not at all "almost the same."

 

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11 minutes ago, JoeFackel said:

Passmark Single-Thread-Performances:

9900K - Result: 2899 (Rank: 2 behind 9900KF)
4770K - Result: 2250 (Rank: 109)

Just saying.

9900K running at 5.0GHz, the 4770K was running at 3.9GHz. 29% clock difference, 29% difference in Passmark points.

Just saying ;-)

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Just saying!!! have my old 4790K at 4.8ghz with corsair 2666 c10 binned mems as base system ( testing P3D as base system ) run tested with this GPU.s  1060, 1070, 1080TI, 2080 , 2080TI.

have compared it with the never chips with same gpu , compared to a  +5ghz 9900k its a snail ,,, Just saying

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That is what I wrote above: the closer the clock rates, the lesser the difference. Yet you get DDR4 with the newer platform and we should be aware that not everybody is overclocking their CPUs that much...

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4790K with fast mems 4.4ghz comared to a 9900K with 3600mhz c16 mems XMP ( no 4266 c16 ) the single tread difference was 18% difference with same clockspeed 9.5%  in my tests.

it can be small differences to what other get , i know some tests is done with ddr4 2133 and 1600mhz DDR3 , i used 2666 c10 XMP DDR3 and 3600mhz C16 DDR4 for ddr3 you cant go much higher than that DDR4 i can run 4266mhz c16 as i do in my sim PC. The diff to a allout 4790k 5ghz fast mems compared to a allout 9900K is approx 25% .

You have a span for non OC 9900k with slow mems compared to a allout 4790k diff the new one is only 5% faster on othe hand a allout 9900k compared to non OC 4790k with value select mems is over 50%

It all depends how you have set up your system old or new , 

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On 6/24/2019 at 5:01 PM, w6kd said:

An overloaded camel trying to get in to London Heathrow.  I can't top that.

 

Is that what WWII era pilots mean when they talk about "flying the hump"?

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Premature benchmark leaks of the 10th gen Intel chips have shown a significant increase in IPC and single core performance.

I think this would have a noticeable effect on P3D  

Might be finally time to upgrade my 6700k 😎

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Premarure screenshot leaks indicated that FSX would look like heaven on Earth, but that one didn't work out too well. We must be cautious.

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14 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Premarure screenshot leaks indicated that FSX would look like heaven on Earth, but that one didn't work out too well. We must be cautious.

Well I can’t speak for Microsoft or any other software developer, but these benchmarks were done by 3rd parties who had access to the chips and they’re usually spot on. It’s hard to fake hardware performance. 

Only downside is that the 10th gen chips may be all going back to the 4 core hyperthreaded versions. So probably no upgrade to a 6 core. 

In other news, next gen of GPUs may get a substantial price cut, although this particular leak is just a rumour. 

Either way I think this would be the perfect cycle for all simmers who have been holding out on upgrades. 

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14 minutes ago, TheBoom said:

Well I can’t speak for Microsoft or any other software developer, but these benchmarks were done by 3rd parties who had access to the chips and they’re usually spot on. It’s hard to fake hardware performance.

I hope it proves to be correct, because when I work out how to access the local bank vault undetected, I am going to want significantly increased CPU performance over my five year old i5 4690k.

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This is usually how my install of P3D goes;

  1. Fresh Windows Install
  2. Install P3D - 115fps - One happy camper
  3. Install all aircraft, scenery and add-ons - 60fps - Getting excited now!
  4. Make 2 changes to graphic settings - 18fps - no hope of going back, no change brings it back to its former glory, devastation sets in...
  5. Uninstall P3D and reinstall - Didn't get all the directory's on the uninstall - 12fps and CTD
  6. Format c:/u
  7. See Step #1

Now if I could just learn to STOP after step 3, all would be glorious! 😂

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And what would those to changes be in step 4?

 

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6 minutes ago, dave_paige said:

And what would those to changes be in step 4?

 

It's usually something in the World settings that I'll tweak and cause the inevitable downfall. I'm sitting at 30fps right now and refuse to touch it. I'll post up a screen shot when I get home as my specs are pretty much the same as the OP. I did just bump up to 32gb of RAM, but haven't really noticed any difference with that.

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