Hey everyone,

I have been using my cuurent settup for a pretty long tima, and am experiencing a lot of stutters in P3d and XP11. I am looking for a upgrade in my pc, but I dont know what the best is tp change. I haven't a lot of experience with pc building etc, and all the stuff with overclocking. Can you guys give me some advise for what to change in my system? I'm not sure if this build is a so called low-end system or high-end, and what to change. This are the specs:

Cpu: AMD Ryzen 5 1600

Gpu: Nvidia GTX 1060 3GB

Motherboard: Asus A320M

RAM: Crucial 2x16GB 

 

Does anybody know what to change? I heard some good things about the new serie of Cpu's of AMD, but I haven't a very high budget and don't want a while new setup. What do you guys think?

Cheers, Jelle

The Ryzen 5 1600 is a 2 year-old CPU.  The GTX 1060 3GB is also a 2 year-old GPU.  

Are you buying this system used, with the intention of saving money?  If so, it's a decent computer, though not great.  If this is new, do you have limited access to new parts where you live?  Do you mind providing us with a budget?  We might be able to pick out a better system.

Edited August 2, 20196 yr by TechguyMaxC

4 hours ago, TechguyMaxC said:

The Ryzen 5 1600 is a 2 year-old CPU.  The GTX 1060 3GB is also a 2 year-old GPU.  

Are you buying this system used, with the intention of saving money?  If so, it's a decent computer, though not great.  If this is new, do you have limited access to new parts where you live?  Do you mind providing us with a budget?  We might be able to pick out a better system.

It is 'new', I bought it 2 years ago. I'm not sure if it is worth it upgrading the CPU or GPU, only with a significant performance upgrade. I live in The Netherlands, so I don't think that there is limited acces to those parts. Budget is around 300€ for upgrading, I don't know exactly if that is enough and if it is worth spending the money for a slight frame increase. For storage I use 2 HDD's with 2 and 3 TB, would it be beneficcial to upgrade one to an SSD? 

Edited August 2, 20196 yr by Jelle123

@Jelle123

Hello

First of all, you should to specify better the models, references or features of the components of your PC, as well as if you have SSD or HDD or both, what case you have and finally what PSU you have, so people can recommend you much better.

In my opinion your PC is poorly balanced, that is, you have a mid-range CPU in combination with a low-end motherboard with a high amount of RAM and a low-mid-range card, it should be more balance between the components.

1.- CPU
Your CPU is not bad, the only disadvantage is that it is a first generation ryzen, they usually have a lower mononuclear performance than Intel processors and to use simulators a high mononuclear performance is important.

On the other hand, your cpu does not support overclock, it doesn't have the ''X '' at the end of the name which means that it can overclock. It is a very important fact.

2.- motherboard
Your motherboard is low-end, it has an A320 chipset, these do not allow overclocking, therefore you have a CPU that cannot be overclocked.

3.- RAM
32GBs is more than enough, but one thing is missing, the speed of memories. I think the proper speed of the ram with the ryzen is 3000 or 3200Mhz, I'm not sure.

4.- GPU
The GTX1060 3GB is a low-mid-range card, perfect for FSX (30FPS / 1024 / 1080p) but not suitable for P3Dv4 or XP11.

By the way, XP11 uses the GPU a lot, so it needs a powerful gpu.
 

In conclusion, your computer is recent, I would recommend that you keep your PC for at least another two years to amortize the investment, if you want to update some component of your PC the best thing you can do is get a new graphic card, such as a GTX1660 6GB or GTX1660Ti 6GB, very suitable for playing 60FPS / 2048 / 1080p and a SSD of at least 500Gb for only W10.

I could recommend upgrading your CPU to a Ryzen 5 2700, but maybe the update is too much money and the performance gained is little, so it would be more worth buying a new PC.

Finally, I don't know what PSU you have, with the GPU update I would recommend a PSU of at least 650W 80+ Gold.

In short, a new GPU + SSD, and optionally a PSU.

regards

22 minutes ago, E69_Brisafresca said:

@Jelle123

Hello

First of all, you should to specify better the models, references or features of the components of your PC, as well as if you have SSD or HDD or both, what case you have and finally what PSU you have, so people can recommend you much better.

In my opinion your PC is poorly balanced, that is, you have a mid-range CPU in combination with a low-end motherboard with a high amount of RAM and a low-mid-range card, it should be more balance between the components.

1.- CPU
Your CPU is not bad, the only disadvantage is that it is a first generation ryzen, they usually have a lower mononuclear performance than Intel processors and to use simulators a high mononuclear performance is important.

On the other hand, your cpu does not support overclock, it doesn't have the ''X '' at the end of the name which means that it can overclock. It is a very important fact.

2.- motherboard
Your motherboard is low-end, it has an A320 chipset, these do not allow overclocking, therefore you have a CPU that cannot be overclocked.

3.- RAM
32GBs is more than enough, but one thing is missing, the speed of memories. I think the proper speed of the ram with the ryzen is 3000 or 3200Mhz, I'm not sure.

4.- GPU
The GTX1060 3GB is a low-mid-range card, perfect for FSX (30FPS / 1024 / 1080p) but not suitable for P3Dv4 or XP11.

By the way, XP11 uses the GPU a lot, so it needs a powerful gpu.
 

In conclusion, your computer is recent, I would recommend that you keep your PC for at least another two years to amortize the investment, if you want to update some component of your PC the best thing you can do is get a new graphic card, such as a GTX1660 6GB or GTX1660Ti 6GB, very suitable for playing 60FPS / 2048 / 1080p and a SSD of at least 500Gb for only W10.

I could recommend upgrading your CPU to a Ryzen 5 2700, but maybe the update is too much money and the performance gained is little, so it would be more worth buying a new PC.

Finally, I don't know what PSU you have, with the GPU update I would recommend a PSU of at least 650W 80+ Gold.

In short, a new GPU + SSD, and optionally a PSU.

regards

Thanks for your response! I was thinking: wouldn't it be good to buy a new motherboard where all the parts will fit in as this one, but one with OC function. Next to that I consither a new GPU. Would that match the price point of about 300€? I checked the CPU, and it is OC variant, with an X behind the 1600

Regards

Edited August 2, 20196 yr by Jelle123

1 minute ago, Jelle123 said:

Thanks for your response! I was thinking: wouldn't it be good to buy a new motherboard where all the parts will fit in as this one, but one with OC function. Next to that I consither a new GPU. Would that match the price point of about 300€?  

Regards

It is difficult, because you have to find a motherboard compatible with your components, especially with your RAM. With 300 euros maybe you can get a cheap GTX1660 6GB (Without Ti, very important), and a cheap B350 motherboard, the B350 motherboard supports the overclock, but remember, very important, your CPU doesn't support the overclock, so you have to spend more than 300 euros, perphaps 500 euros if you want a CPU with overclock and a mid-range GPU like GTX1660 although it would be better a GTX1660Ti with a performance similar to GTX1070. And finally the overclock needs a good PSU, more money.

In short you need more than 300 euros.

Regards

Would it be a good upgrade to go for the vega 56 instead of my gtx 1060? It has a lot more VRAM and is (on specs) better than the 1070

21 minutes ago, Jelle123 said:

Would it be a good upgrade to go for the vega 56 instead of my gtx 1060? It has a lot more VRAM and is (on specs) better than the 1070 

Vega 56 is better gpu than GTX1060 3GB, however, P3D works better with Nvidia GPUs, and on the other hand, Vega 56 needs a powerful PSU, around 750W, also, Vega 56 has a similar performance to GTX1660Ti or GTX1070, and finally a Vega 56 cost more than 300 euros.

GTX1660Ti is a more efficient GPU than Vega 56, it needs only a minimum 450W PSU.

Edited August 2, 20196 yr by E69_Brisafresca

How much of a difference is running windows and P3D on separate SSD's compared to running them on the same SSD?  M2 NVMe I mean.  

Yes indeed. Would it be good to buy an 500 GB or 1TB SSD for Windows and P3d, and maybe XP?

Edited August 3, 20196 yr by Jelle123

@micstatic

@Jelle123

I think the reason for using two different SSDs is that the operation of W10 affects as little as possible the game load.

I do not recommend buying a single 500GB or 1TB SSD, it is not enough space to install W10, P3D, XP11 plus add ons or plugins.

If you want a good gaming PC, my recommendation is to invest money in a new mid-range GPU or start saving money for a new PC.

Regards

Just my two cents, but the PC Bottleneck site calculates your current system as being rather well balanced actually.  The Ryzen 5 1600 with the 1060 3GB seem well matched according to the math:

https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Ryzen_5_1600/GeForce_GTX_1060_3GB/0M80Vw8A/32/

Looking over the game prediction calculators, it seems like the GPU is what holds performance back, so if you only want to upgrade one thing on your system then I'd recommend getting a stronger GPU first, as the Ryzen 5 1600 appears able to handle more.

I completely mis-read this as a new build and overlooked the whole "upgrade" in the title.  My mistake.

You should buy a new motherboard if you want to upgrade.  Whether you stick with AMD or move over to Intel as most simmers have, is your call.

If I were buying AMD though, I would only buy the latest generation Ryzen.  2nd gen isn't enough of an upgrade over what you have already.

If you go AMD, look at the Ryzen 7 3700.  You don't have to get the X model, either. A very minor overclock solves the tiny performance difference between these two processors at stock.

X570 should be your motherboard chipset,  Gigabyte's X570 Aorus Elite is a good value board around $200.  

Otherwise if you want to get *the most* performance for flight sim, Intel is still where it's at.  i7 9700k or 9900k are the best CPUs in Intel's mainstream lineup at the moment, get whichever fits your budget.  A Z390 motherboard would be a good idea to pair this with, I recommend the Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master.  

As for graphics card, this mostly depends on the resolution of your monitor.  If you're only running 1080p that's not going to be good reason to spend a ton of money on a graphics card, though a 1060 3GB isn't a great card long-term so perhaps a 2060 or 2060 Super might be a good idea.

52 minutes ago, Mengy said:

Just my two cents, but the PC Bottleneck site calculates your current system as being rather well balanced actually.  The Ryzen 5 1600 with the 1060 3GB seem well matched according to the math:

https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Ryzen_5_1600/GeForce_GTX_1060_3GB/0M80Vw8A/32/

Looking over the game prediction calculators, it seems like the GPU is what holds performance back, so if you only want to upgrade one thing on your system then I'd recommend getting a stronger GPU first, as the Ryzen 5 1600 appears able to handle more.

I read on a lot of sites that the Nvidia cards perform better than the AMD does. On specs the Vega 56 is better than my 1060 3gb, but a lot of people say that XP and P3D perform better with the 1060. Why is this? 

59 minutes ago, Jelle123 said:

I read on a lot of sites that the Nvidia cards perform better than the AMD does. On specs the Vega 56 is better than my 1060 3gb, but a lot of people say that XP and P3D perform better with the 1060. Why is this?  

Because the developer design his game to use it with nvidia GPUs, on the other hand AMD drivers had some problems.

At this moment, the best solution is a Nvidia GPU, you should get a cheap GTX1660Ti, a good solution to p3d, xp11, dcsw and fsx.

Regards