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Just wandering what my fellow simmers would think about future versions of FS to make it where you were no longer the plane but a person? My reason is not so much for wanting to explore FS from a persons point of view (although that would be a feature) but to be able to have a fleet of planes and leave them where you park them.Imagine going back to FS98 when the default field was Meigs and instead of being on the active with the engine running, when you first start the next version your on foot infront of every plane in your aircraft file parked on the ramp and you can walk up and get into your plane of choice.Whenever you park a plane and save your flight the plane is left there. You can then park your favorite planes where in the world you want and they stay there until you move them again.Many features could be added to this kind of new way to get into planes. Walk arounds, a reason to have doors that open and close, able to have a career mode that unlocks planes if you want and add to your fleet, use the FBO as a start area where you can pull up all the options of weather, display, time, season, failure etc..I guess my real question is do you think it would make the sim too game like or would you welcome the idea?

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Guest AJ

>I think you are going to hear people pretty much say that it>sounds a lot like a game to them.Perhaps, some will say that. After all, the GTA series has being doing this for years. On the other hand, people made similar comments when the first Virtual Cockpits showed up a few years ago. Everyone said it was a silly gimmick and that it would never be practical to fly form that point of view. Well, things have changed a lot since then, haven't they? Personally, I think it sounds like a great idea. The Active camera program gave up little bit of that in FS9, though obviously you could not hop into another plane.

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>I think you are going to hear people pretty much say that it>sounds a lot like a game to them.In all honesty Brian...I was asking fellowers simmers what they thought and not what they thought others would think. If you have an opinion on how you feel on the idea then please share but I find it rude to speak for others.

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I guess what you mean is a kind of career mode in FS and I must say it could give add a sense of achievement in FS. It should be optionable though as not everyone will welcome it. I also like the idea of being able to do a walkaround, as long as it is more than just a visual gimmick. I want to be able to check the fuel for contamination, and run the risk of an engine-out if I forget this. Also, for some planes you must "rock the wings" after refuelling to make sure there are no airpockets in the fuel tank. I'd like to do that in the sim.BTW, addons like FSPassenger already add something like a careermode to FS, but a visual integration is not possible in FS9. Maybe that FSX, with simconnect and missions is able to improve on this.Allard.

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Guest Bottle

I'd find it a lot of fun, but we'd then have to assign keys for kicking the tires and twanging the tension wires. But think of the possibilities for modelling being sucked into your jet intake :)

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Guest allcott

It sounds a lot like a game to me. Excellent for twelve year olds who want to pretend, but for seasoned simmers? Unnecessary waste of computing power. Unless the walkround was actually required for correct operation of the airplane. In which case you can kiss goodbye to the vast majority of gaming customers too, who simply will not tolerate having to waggle ailerons or remove control locks when all they want is to press Ctrl+E or launch the sim on the runway, with the engine running, firewall the throttles and climb a 777 at 16,0000 ft/min.I don't see who this idea is aimed at, if you're already apologising to simmers for it and your inconveniencing gamers by it, neither do youAsk yourself this - if it is such a good idea, how come we don't have FS WALKROUND or something similar, using spot view and Active Camera, which already permits you to do exactly what your asking for?Allcott

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In contrary to Allcotts one sided view, I think it would be a great idea, especially for those that fly GA and belong to VAs. This would make the experience more personal and more precise. I would think even tubeliner pilots could appreciate walking thru the jetway to their aircrafts before a flight. There is no reason a feature like this would take away from the flight "simulator" purists either.Regards, MichaelKDFW

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Guest Babubhai

Perhaps some of you need a different product all together which fits this purpose.

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Guest Wayne Smith

I think it's a great idea to add more realism! In fact, I'd like the option to see other people in a multi-user environment, and have them also get into the aircraft as crew or passengers! I'd also like to be able to walk over to the FBO, go into the office, and get a look at charts, weather on a radar display ona virtual desk, do flight planning, etc.

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Love the idea!It's gamish indeed! But hey, I liked the first person feature in Active Camera. Just give me a flashlight for the night inspection! :(

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In fact, we were just taking about this the other day. It's what I do in real life, why would it seem like a game? I don't understand that. I like the idea.Anyway, you can see some of our ideas here, I'm thinking it should be doable today. Read the last two posts:http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...ode=full#352018Thomas[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com] http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]I like using VC's :-)N15802 KASH '73 Piper Cherokee Challenger 180

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Guest Babubhai

What are you lot on??? Some of you have lost the whole point of flight simulator.You guys need a different program all together. Flight Simulator is not designed for those kind of purposes.Let's keep flight simulator the way it has always been. Choose an aircraft from the menu, fly it, enjoy it and then exit.Maybe something like airport simulator for you guys?

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Why do we need a different program altogether? Bill Lyons did this years ago when he added the skier and skater models.It's not like we're forcing you to use this method. I think the idea of making a career mode is cool, but it is not necessary. Parking your airplanes at an airport might require a little set up, but, it could even automate parking of your fleet at any airport you go to. Of course, I'd like the option of choosing where the planes are parked, too, and probably which planes are parked. And I'd like it to be smart enough to know not to put my floatplane on the tarmac :) . I'd even like the option of having a different fleet at different airports.Thomas[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com] http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]I like using VC's :-)N15802 KASH '73 Piper Cherokee Challenger 180

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Well you could say why do we have external views while in the air?!THIS is extremly unrealistic and has nothing to do with simulation! But it's still fun and I like the external views. :-roll In fact I think a FPS view while grounded is the only realistic view for a pilot to see his aircraft from the outside. :-hah

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>Well you could say why do we have external views while in the>air?!>THIS is extremly unrealistic and has nothing to do with>simulation! But it's still fun and I like the external views.>:-roll >In fact I think a FPS view while grounded is the only>realistic view for a pilot to see his aircraft from the>outside. :-hah You didnt get my point. I think people on this topic are forgetting what flight simulator is.Flight Sim is about flying aircraft. Different types of aircraft in different scenarios. What you guys are talking here is some kind of airport simulation. Which is different from flight simulator and what you need is something else which fits this purpose.

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Guest BOPrey

LoL. Well, we can still have Ctr-E to have a ghost to do the walkround. Personally, I like the walkround to remove the locks myself. If would be funny if the elevator jams or speed indicator is showing wrong numbers because he skipped a few checks.

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"What you guys are talking here is some kind of airport simulation. Which is different from flight simulator and what you need is something else which fits this purpose."It's been forty years since I first flew, in a Lockheed Electra. That fired up a love of aviation in my then five year old imagination which has lasted to this day. And I still am amused when people come in and define "flight" as if it has a fixed meaning. It doesn't. "Flight" existed long before there were airplanes. One trillion birds and insects couldn't be wrong.Whether you're a passive observer or in the cockpit, behind a FMS or dangling under a Trike, you are experiencing flight. Whether you're watching on the ground, walking around the tarmac, or staring at the wing, you are using the sim for just as much a valid purpose as the simmer who is logged into VATSIM from morning to dusk.I think the member here asked a pretty innocent question, and still it fires up debate and snide comments "What are you lot on?" and "Excellent for twelve year olds" that don't belong, in my opinion, in any forum that celebrates a product that celebrates flight. I think the best answer is "I wouldn't use the sim that way" and leave it at that. But ultimately this sim is an entertainment title. All the eye candy is there for a reason--to sell copies of a product that subsidizes our greater interest in aviation. Most of us are "hard core" here, many of us spend time in real aircraft. I actually find the question asked in this tread pretty intuitive. For me, walking out to the Allegro or Kitfox to do a preflight, getting a whiff of Avgas, watching the aircraft in the pattern--is as breathtaking as that first sign of the wings feeling light or a final with crosswinds. I love Flight. I don't have to be in the air all the time to be part of Flight.-John

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I think it's a good idea as well, FS has always cried out for some form of career mode. Look at the popularity of VA's and FSpassengers along with FSEconomy. Sometimes just jumping in and flying between point A and B gets a bit boring, it would be nice to have a personalized aircraft that one must maintain via maintanence etc.... I know some payware have this already but expanding on that to include walkarounds (a very pivotal part of GA) isn't as stupid as one may think.Even just a button to simulate an external inspection prior to starting the engine is a good idea, keeps with the whole idea of a checklist I've seen some virtual Airline pilots do in some of the videos here on avsim. There should be no limit on imagination with FS, if one uses it for flying or to simulate owning an airline from a small bush outfit to a million dollar business, it's up to each individual to use it as they see fit.Ian.

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Good post John, on all points - I am particularly weary of the seeming need of some to denigrate the ideas of others, or even the poster himself - I remember when we were not like this. People who do this have my pity.The original post - I have often thought of this myself, if not seriously - I love everything about flying, from planning and executing a challenging 6000nm headwind-all-the-way flight in the 744 to just hanging around the tarmac at Frankfurt or some other great airport :)Only problem is this how does a big iron flyer enter the cockpit? going to require a lot more modelling of the actual aircraft innards maybe, thus not too practical beyond what we have now with Activecam, W&F or Recorder module.regards,Markhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpgXPHomeSP2/FS9.1/3.2HT/1024mb/X700pro256

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And I'm still waiting for the "eau-de-Flight" hardware addon for flight simulator. Each plane and airport could be keyed for a particular set of smells. Now imagine what it would be like walking around the hangar. To me, walking around the airport and talking to people there is half the fun of flying. Could even add a thing that spits castor oil in your face for those open cockpit biplane flights! Then of course you'd have to add stereo scent, and I imagine 5.1 surround scent after that. :)Thomas[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com] http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]I like using VC's :-)N15802 KASH '73 Piper Cherokee Challenger 180

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