June 22, 20205 yr Hi All, I've not noticed this before so I think it is a new thing on my FS9, if anyone have observations I'd be grateful to see them? Since changing to Windows 10, I've only recently been able to work out (from reading this Forum:-) how to operate the top FS Menu in 'Full Screen' mode. My previous Operating System was not a problem. However, now delighted I could use my Sim of choice (FS9) in 'Full Screen', my Frame Rate seems to be limited to 60fps. Is this as it should be, or have I made a mistake in setting options or something? In 'Windowed' mode the fps are in the hundreds (as they were when I was using Windows 7) The performance seems fine so I shouldn't be quibbling one might venture - especially as I can recall the time when 60 fps would have been unbelievable 😉 That said, I am curious if nothing else. Observations welcomed. Kind Regards, Blue
June 23, 20205 yr Hi. I think it's a Win 10 thing: it limits the fullscreen framerate to the monitor's refresh rate. There is occasional talk of various vertical-sync settings but I've never had any success with them on my GTX 1060 nor with Nvidia Inspector. The only solution has been to use a borderless window application, though that still leaves popup panels undocked. The 60 fps has one advantage in that a lot of routines within FS9 have to complete within one frame. Some extend the frame time, so reducing fps, but others are just dumped if they over-run. Sound wavs are usually dumped so sounds get corrupted above a certain framerate and turn into a sh***ty buzzing. I imagine there are other things that will benefit from the extra time (texture loading or autogen perhaps) though I'd be hard pressed to prove any. D Edited June 23, 20205 yr by Dave Morgan for a little extra
June 23, 20205 yr If you see well, those 60 FPS are actually smoother than the hundreds of FPS that you see in windowed mode, because of the way Win10 forces Vsync. Too bad it's too hard to switch tasks from FS9 in Fullscreen mode. Edited June 23, 20205 yr by Luis Hernandez Best regards,Luis Hernández Main rig: self built, AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D (with SMT off and CO -50 mV), 2x16 GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Nvidia RTX 5060Ti 16GB, 256 GB M.2 SSD (OS+apps) + 2x1 TB SATA III SSD (sims) + 1 TB 7200 rpm HDD (storage), ID-Cooling SE-224-XTS air cooler, Viewsonic VX2458-MHD 1920x1080@120-144 Hz (G-sync compatible), Windows 11. Running P3D v5.4 (with v4.5 scenery objects as an additional library, just in case), FSX-SE, MSFS2020, MSFS2024 and even FS9! Lossless Scaling for all my sims. What a godsend...Mobile rig: ASUS Zenbook UM425QA (AMD Ryzen 7 5800H APU @3.2 GHz and boost disabled, 1 TB M.2 SSD, 16 GB RAM, Windows 11 Pro). Running FS9 there .VKB Gladiator NXT Premium Left + GNX THQ as primary controllers. Xbox Series X|S wireless controller as standby/mobile.
June 24, 20205 yr 11 hours ago, Luis Hernandez said: If you see well, those 60 FPS are actually smoother than the hundreds of FPS that you see in windowed mode, because of the way Win10 forces Vsync. Too bad it's too hard to switch tasks from FS9 in Fullscreen mode. That's a good point, and one I'd forgotten. Having framerate locked to refresh rate reduces tearing of the image when you pan your viewpoint. 60 Hz is great for me: the combination of good monitor and elderly eyes means I don't ever see any flicker.
July 8, 20205 yr On 6/23/2020 at 6:01 PM, Luis Hernandez said: If you see well, those 60 FPS are actually smoother than the hundreds of FPS that you see in windowed mode, because of the way Win10 forces Vsync. Too bad it's too hard to switch tasks from FS9 in Fullscreen mode. That's a great theory. But there is no evidence that I know of to support your opinion.
July 8, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, PebbleBeach said: That's a great theory. But there is no evidence that I know of to support your opinion. It's not an opinion: it's the result of observations in my laptop (specs in signature). It may depend on system configuration, of course and I'll understand if it does not work in yours. For your reference, I've never been able to use the 1/2 refresh rate in either FS9 or FSX, either windowed or fullscreen (or even DX9 or DX10 in FSX), despite all the reports of people that have been able to do this in Win10. Best regards,Luis Hernández Main rig: self built, AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D (with SMT off and CO -50 mV), 2x16 GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Nvidia RTX 5060Ti 16GB, 256 GB M.2 SSD (OS+apps) + 2x1 TB SATA III SSD (sims) + 1 TB 7200 rpm HDD (storage), ID-Cooling SE-224-XTS air cooler, Viewsonic VX2458-MHD 1920x1080@120-144 Hz (G-sync compatible), Windows 11. Running P3D v5.4 (with v4.5 scenery objects as an additional library, just in case), FSX-SE, MSFS2020, MSFS2024 and even FS9! Lossless Scaling for all my sims. What a godsend...Mobile rig: ASUS Zenbook UM425QA (AMD Ryzen 7 5800H APU @3.2 GHz and boost disabled, 1 TB M.2 SSD, 16 GB RAM, Windows 11 Pro). Running FS9 there .VKB Gladiator NXT Premium Left + GNX THQ as primary controllers. Xbox Series X|S wireless controller as standby/mobile.
July 29, 20205 yr Author Many thanks to all who gave their observations, I was most interested. What a very helpful Forum this is 😉 Stay safe everyone! Regards, Blue
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