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We've all been struggling with several issues related to FSX performance. However, greengriffon noted in one shot where I was running at 2.2 to 5 fps (lol) default plane at KSEA, that I might want to try the World of AI planes for the AI (I was a long time user of MyTraffic but don't intend on purchasing any addons because of performance issues with FSX at this time). I have 2 pics. The first was where I had increased airline AI traffic to 30% at KSEA hoping to get some semblance of life to FSX because of huge frame hits in city flying: 2.5 - 5 fps on the tarmac (autogen off and same settings as below). http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Len...aronfsxksea.jpgWell, that was a lost cause, until greengriffon linked me to World of AI. I downloaded all the ai packs. I couldn't go back to KSEA because they don't have NorthWest liveries (except cargo) at this time. So I went to KMIA (default Lear Jet). Since there are numerous American Airlines there I then jacked the AI up to 65% expecting the worst because KMIA is a very detailed airport. What a shocker. Next frame shows 8.2 fps parked at a busy terminal. And that's 8.2-11fps (I took the lowest figure as that was only fair) fairly smooth with several planes around. I can't wait for more liveries! The only constant though is no autogen. But all scenery settings full right except level of detail medium and scenery complexity dense. REAL WEATHER being used. Again, thanks greengriffon. Other than that here are further specs:Ground scenery shadows:0nSpecial effects detail:High70 mi. cloud draw distanceCloud coverage: HighAirline and GA density: 65%Airport vehicle density:lowLand and sea traffic:15%Light Bloom:off (of course)Bilnear filteringLens flare onAircraft VC ultra highAdvanced AnimationsWater:low 2.xLow bit textured clouds (these are a must as they were in FS9)1600x1200 32 bit 2AA,8AF with latest ATI drivers and latest DirectX.P4 3.6 GHz HT 1 gig ram (yes, I'll need another gig of ram), ATI X800XT 256 mb PCIe videohttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Lent1/kmia1fsx.jpgBy the way. As I've always maintained, criticisms of FSX notwithstanding (and I've had them!), FSX easily beats FS9 for bush flying. The pic below, a lake airport in Alaska on the tarmac with FULL autogen and FULL right scenery complexity with full right water - 13.4 fps. Beautiful:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Lent1/alaskalake.jpg

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Glad you're liking FSX....some.Mike T. is too; at least to a degree! :D It's been my opinion, that FSX as a lone sim, won't fit all needs by any measure; and it never hurts to use the sim that fits the mood.I have three, FS9, FSX, and X-Plane 8At the moment, I'm downloading more of the North America FSGenesis mesh for FSX. It will be little or no auto-gen for higher flights, and lots of auto-gen for bush flying. Just one of those compromises I suppose.L.Adamson

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>Glad you have it working better. Yes right now you have to>make a few compromises depending on the mode of flight-but it>can be done. Your shots-especially the last with the snow>covered trees are spectacular!>http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpgYep. When FSX loaded to the tarmac I was floored by what I saw. When I took it up (I should have taken more pics) the white covered spruce and pine with the beautiful water gave breathtaking vistas. I'll be posting more pics I'm sure of the bush flying experience.I should note as well, that I put the same plane down at EGLL, and World of AI has BA cargo and passenger liveries and other British carriers and European carriers. Very filled airport at 65%. Again, roughly the same frames as KMIA. This allows me to bring back city flying with the settings modified and default planes with pretty decent looking graphics.

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Len-I am unfamiliar with the ai stuff-I have mytraffic fsx installed. I s this world of ai simply replacement aircraft that are more framerate friendly and does it work with mytraffic?Thanks...

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>Len->I am unfamiliar with the ai stuff-I have mytraffic fsx>installed. I s this world of ai simply replacement aircraft>that are more framerate friendly and does it work with>mytraffic?>Thanks...I think you have to download World of AI's installer program to install their packages.I am about to try out WofAI but have not yet. I don't have MyTraffic so I don't know if WoAI would work with that.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2.5 ghz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (94.47), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8, WD 250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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You're quite welcome Len. Thanks for posting how your performance increased by using 3rd-party AI. Seeing you go from having an unflyable FSX to something you can now enjoy makes it all worthwhile.BTW, if you really want to get Northwest AI operating out of KSEA, it's not hard to do at all. There are tons of threads and tutorials here at AVSIM. WOAI just makes it simple for people who don't want to create the packages themselves, and they seem to select the best aircraft models that are out there in the community for each one.I'm going to try doing my own package for Delta airlines sometime in the next few days. If anyone has any advice on how to do this for myself and Len (for Northwest), I would very much appreciate your insight.Thanks,GG

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>Len->I am unfamiliar with the ai stuff-I have mytraffic fsx>installed. I s this world of ai simply replacement aircraft>that are more framerate friendly and does it work with>mytraffic?>Thanks...That's a good question. I've been using MyTraffic since FS2002 early days. I'm not going to purchase the new version. This is the first freeware package that I've used and I'm extremely happy with it. And it's easy as pie. Load the installer. Point it to fsx and point it to the downloaded liveries. Run it. All self-explanatory. The replacement aircraft are arguably better looking than MyTraffic but they are definitely very frame friendly. I've never used them in tandem.http://www.world-of-ai.com/packages.html/a'>

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Maybe I missed it but do these World of AI planes replace the existing AI planes or is this something you need to load everytime to see?System Specs:P4 3.0SB LiveATI Radeon X800 GTO (256)1 Gig DDR RAM

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>Maybe I missed it but do these World of AI planes replace the>existing AI planes or is this something you need to load>everytime to see?>>>System Specs:>P4 3.0>SB Live>ATI Radeon X800 GTO (256)>1 Gig DDR RAMThey replace the existing AI planes. Once you load the installer they're removed. You then load the new packages through the installer and you're good to go.

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What airport,in Alaska, was the screen shot taken at. Thats awesome, Bob

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>What airport,in Alaska, was the screen shot taken at. Thats>awesome,> BobLOL!. Bob, I forgot! I just took a random airport and off I went. Didn't even pay attention. In fact, I've been trying to find the place again this evening. Maybe I'll stumble on it but with the huge amount of airports...hehehe

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L. Adamson: I have FSGenesis USA and the performance difference was negligeable. I also have Ultimate Terrain for FS9 and they just came out with a utility to port over to FSX. I uninstalled my FSGenesis and ported the UT - In a word WOW! Better frames rates by a little, but the pauses and stutters have all but gone away, even in and around KPDX. This was a major downer for me with FSX as I live and fly in this region 99 percent of the time. I was about to let FSX just sit on the drive until some future miracle cure could be found. Now, the UT landclass has changed my opinion completely. It looks like my FS9 but with the more real-life flight depiction of FSX it is a real winner! FINALLY!

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Len,Nice to see you're making a bit more progress towards enjoying FSX.I replied to a couple of your threads with a few more very minor tweaks that may increase your FPS values even more. Have you tried these? Do they help?JerryGhttp://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=368704&page=Len -I posted this in another thread on this forum. Did you make thechanges to the fsx.cfg I mentioned? Does it help some?JerryGhttp://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...id=367645&page=Hi Len,I noticed you stated -Added the following to fsx.cfg file:TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_TREES_PER_CELL=2000TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS_PER_CELL=1500Added to fsxcfg:FIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTION=.33-----I don't recall my actual values (not near my FSX PC at the moment), butyou might try these:TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_TREES_PER_CELL=600TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS_PER_CELL=300Also, the FIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTION=.33 is the default value. I think ACES indicated you should reduce this to a lower level (you will get higher FPS values, but possibly blurries in the far distance). I've tried a few different values, but you could try this:FIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTION=.20Some have posted reducing this all the way toFIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTION=.001While that can work, in my case, the 7cm textures were a bit blurry directly below my plane, but the FPS shot up - WAY up!Jerry G.

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Thanks Jerry. I'm going to leave the autogen at FSX level. Basically because as implemented you can use either full autogen/very dense/dense for bush flying and it's beautiful. Of course in towns and cities it's a huge hit. However, as the pic can be seen below FSX can look very good without it over cities:That's 18.1 fps there with water at low 2.x:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/Lent1/kseafsx2.jpgInsofar as the FIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTION...thanks for that. I'm going to give it another go at your level and see what happens.

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I do not think Autogen is the BIGGEST single frame rate killer in cities in FSX.Rather, I think the default.xml file is the culprit.Renaming default.xml to default.xml.stock, will result in huge improvements in fps in cities, but the visual drawback is not good (no xml objects).RhettAMD 3700+ (@2.5 ghz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (94.47), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8, WD 250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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xml = eXtensible Markup Language.It's what Microsoft uses to define the various scenery objects in the sim, in this case, objects such as factories, restaurants, gas stations, etc.The default.xml file is located in AutogenLike I said, rename it to default.xml.stock and then go fly the sim in a big city. It won't look good, but it sure will fly great.Rename it back to default.xml, and your performance will be degraded tremendously near big cities.That's why I'm wondering if there isn't something wrong with the default.xml file, or if it's just a matter of too little memory, or not enough cpu.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2.5 ghz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (94.47), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8, WD 250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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>L. Adamson: I have FSGenesis USA and the performance>difference was negligeable. I also have Ultimate Terrain for>FS9 and they just came out with a utility to port over to FSX.>I uninstalled my FSGenesis and ported the UT - In a word WOW!>Better frames rates by a little, but the pauses and stutters>have all but gone away, even in and around KPDX. This was a>major downer for me with FSX as I live and fly in this region>99 percent of the time. I was about to let FSX just sit on the>drive until some future miracle cure could be found. Now, the>UT landclass has changed my opinion completely. It looks like>my FS9 but with the more real-life flight depiction of FSX it>is a real winner! FINALLY!Dave -- saw your note re UT port to FSX. Went to all UT sites and could find nothing re this utility ... could you point me in the right direction?RegardsDAve

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>Dave -- saw your note re UT port to FSX. Went to all UT sites>and could find nothing re this utility ... could you point me>in the right direction?>>Regards>DAveHere you go. Documentationwww.scenerysolutions.com/Download/UTFsxConv.pdfIndividual conversion applicationswww.scenerysolutions.com/Download/UtUsaPort.exewww.scenerysolutions.com/Download/UtCanPort.exewww.scenerysolutions.com/Download/UtEurPort.exe

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