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Vista RC2 and FSX

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Ok usually I could figure this out but I am a little stumped here.I just installed and updated Vista RC2, with the latest Nvidia Beta drivers, SB Audigy Drivers among others. FSX installs fine and activates as expected. However with the Aero interface enabled, FSX whether in Full screen or Windowed has issues rendering. In full screen I got a flashing image that looks like the old 16 color RGB monitors. In Windowed I see the image and here the sound but get no image response, as if it were frozen up. Maybe its me. maybe its my PC, maybe Vista isn't ready for primetime, I don't know. One thing I also noticed FSX installed DrectX9C on install, that was interesting.Now I switched to the 'Classic' windows interface, and boom issues gone. But Vista is freakin ugly. Has anyone else with Vista RC2 had this issue with FSX?Do not see this in XP at all.Specs for those curious:P4 3.2ghz (@3.4ghz)1GB Ram / WD 300GBBFG 6800 GS 128MB2 - 19-inch Dell LCDs[hr color=#000000][table border=0" width="98%" id="table1" height="2" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1][td width=500]Jason[br /]General Aviation Fan[br][/b]

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If FSX installed Directx 9c, you need to blow away your copy of Vista RC2 and reinstall. This happened to me with RC1 where I was trying compatability and installed Direct 9 August release and even trying to reinstall the DirectX caused more problems that it was worth.Vista comes with DirectX 10 and won't work without it. Installing DirectX 9 will cause you to have a hybrid installation of DX10 and that, as they say, is that.

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I was under the impression that DX10 is not built into vista for now. I heard it was shipping with DX9 and DX10 would be a patch that is going to be added later on. I have played with it extensively at work in a work environment which means no games and haven't even looked to see what version of DX comes with RC2. I'll run dxdiag tomorrow and see for sure. You might want to run it on your box and see if it's 9 or 10...

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Thats interesting you would think Vista would not allow DX9C to be installed. I did the DXdiag and the results return DX10. I will blow it away and see what happens but I don't know, I really don't know if that will be the solution.Here is the proof.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/160675.jpgThanks for any further input you may have.Jason

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Good to know for sure. I've read numerous reports that said DX10 was not shipping with Vista. Everything else I read said that games ran poorly as well so i never bothered to check.

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I have read the same. So far Call Of Duty 2 and FSX run like crap on Vista.I do have 2 seperate Windows XP installs on my machine, in addition to the Vista Ultimate on a seperate HD. By far Windows XP outperforms Vista. I will be looking at this closely as time progresses to see where my money should go.[hr color=#000000][table border=0" width="98%" id="table1" height="2" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1][td width=500]Jason[br /]General Aviation Fan[br][/b]

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This is exactly why I wait for second generation things to come around. I learned my lesson the hard with with Windows ME... I am NOT going to be getting a first generation DX10 card, nor will I be using Vista upon its initial release. Typically, I only purchase into something after reading lengthy reviews (which I did happily for FSX).

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OK, an update. It is indeed the Windows 3D Aero interface that is hitting performance. Vista rates your machine on the initial install out of a possible 5.0, my machine rates a 4.3, the weakeast rating my video card at 4.3, everything else, Hard drive speed (4.9), memory (4.5)seem to be ok. It's quite possible, my video card (6800 GS 128MB) is not quite up to snuff to handle it all.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/160676.jpg

You'll notice the Aero is gone, replaced with Vista Basic.

After changing to Vista Basic from Aero, FSX perf is matching Windows XP, and in some areas beats it. I was able to leave the default settings, enable aircraft shadows (on itself), dense Autogen, and have the water set at MED Version 2.0, all AI at 25%, and maintain a respectable 15 FPS at and around KMIA. No blurries, and a stutter here and there, but barely noticable.I am going to continue to play with it and see where it goes, i'll post up some pictures tomorrow when I have more time to do so.[hr color=#000000][table border=0" width="98%" id="table1" height="2" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1][td width=500]Jason[br /]General Aviation Fan[br][/b]

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Just a side question, where are people still getting RC2 from? I have RC1 installed but RC2 was taken down so quickly I didn't have a chance to get it.

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Note: the readme for FSX says:Microsoft Flight Simulator X and Microsoft Windows VistaFlight Simulator X is designed to run on the Windows Vista operating system. Flight Simulator X was released prior to the completion of Windows Vista.

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>Just a side question, where are people still getting RC2>from? I have RC1 installed but RC2 was taken down so quickly>I didn't have a chance to get it.Torrent sites I'd say :-)

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>>Just a side question, where are people still getting RC2>>from? I have RC1 installed but RC2 was taken down so>quickly>>I didn't have a chance to get it.>>Torrent sites I'd say :-)You know what buddy, I take offence to that remark. How dare you jump to the conclusion I got this from a torrent link. I never have and never will have anything to do with piracy.For your information I have an MSDN subscription, that I use for testing and project preperation for my clients.Next time be careful what you accuse people off. Man this ticked me off. :-fume[hr color=#000000][table border=0" width="98%" id="table1" height="2" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1][td width=500]Jason[br /]General Aviation Fan[br][/b]

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Speaking on behalf on REGISTERED MSDN UNIVERSAL MEMBERS EVERYWHERE...I'd say you don't know jack.If you don't know the answer to something, keep quiet until someone comes along who does, it will make going through life a lot less painful.

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Jason:You have to be very careful and make SURE that any games that you install in Vista do not attempt to place DX9 into Vista.If you have an MSDN subscription you can also keep a install of the DirectX 10 SDK handy becuase that includes the DX10 runtime files. But also remember that your video card drivers and sound card drivers contain DirectX 10 drivers of their own and I found that even installing the DirectX runtime didn't resolve all the anomalies that I got after corrupting my DX10 install mistakenly with DX9. I agree, it should not even let you install it in the first place!There is a version of DirectX9 specifically for Vista - DirectX9L that will run DX9 games faster in Vista than the currect DirectX9 emulation under DX10. This was the hope to all XP users that DirectX 9L would be a DX10 emulation for XP...but Microsoft has clarified this and slammed the door to any DX10 emulation under XP. You want DX10, you gotta shell out the clams for Vista.I think you will find DirectX9L on MSDN.

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Blimey guys chillI got rc2 from ms on free download and i'm not on msdn or anything just got in quick.#Anyway fsx running fine on rc2 here i assume that when fsx does its dx9 thang its just checking and if you've got a later version it does nothing, thats what usally happens anyway, absolutely no probs with rc2 here whatever its done..

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Thank you Scott. This is exactly what I did and it worked, next time I need to RTFM. :)Thank you again Scott for a great a response and the help I was looking for.[hr color=#000000][table border=0" width="98%" id="table1" height="2" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1][td width=500]Jason[br /]General Aviation Fan[br][/b]

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Hey Smarti,All chilled now. :) lolI am glad you got it working well in Vista. After tinkering, as well as Scott gently reminding me there is a readme, thusly named as it is important to read! :) Vista and FSX are working great, I have not tried COD2 again, but will do so to see these few changes impact on things.It is quite possible, FSX on install is only checking for DX versions, I'll be blowing away this install of Vista anyway to test a few other things in Vista so i'll watch closely as to what it does during that period.Hehe, I'll also be testing the FSX limit on activations, so that should be fun to see in action.[hr color=#000000][table border=0" width="98%" id="table1" height="2" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="1][td width=500]Jason[br /]General Aviation Fan[br][/b]

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You know what buddy, I take offence to that remark. How dare>you jump to the conclusion I got this from a torrent link. I>never have and never will have anything to do with piracy.>>For your information I have an MSDN subscription, that I use>for testing and project preperation for my clients.>>Next time be careful what you accuse people off. Man this>ticked me off. :-fumeYou know what buddy, you need to chill out. I was merely repsonding to the general query about where people were *still* getting (note the reference to *still*) RC2 from and I pointed out exactly where they are most likely to be getting it from.I did not 'accuse' you of anything whatsoever and in fact I never even considered the possibility that you had anything other than legit access to RC2. The fact that you somehow managed to read an acusation into my post says lots more about you than it does me.Triangle

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>Speaking on behalf on REGISTERED MSDN UNIVERSAL MEMBERS>EVERYWHERE...I'd say you don't know jack.>>If you don't know the answer to something, keep quiet until>someone comes along who does, it will make going through life>a lot less painful.Same response as previous post .Triangle

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I have read elsewhere that having 2 monitors while running FSX on Vista RC2 causes the flickering/blank screens etc - fix is said to be disabling the second monitor.If anyone has two monitors I'd be interested to hear their experience with this - I have a dual LCD setup on an ATI 1950X and would be pretty bummed if I wasn't able to run FSX on both when Vista goes retail.Triangle

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>You know what buddy, I take offence to that remark. How>dare>>you jump to the conclusion I got this from a torrent link. >I>>never have and never will have anything to do with piracy.>>>>For your information I have an MSDN subscription, that I use>>for testing and project preperation for my clients.>>>>Next time be careful what you accuse people off. Man this>>ticked me off. :-fume>>You know what buddy, you need to chill out. I was merely>repsonding to the general query about where people were>*still* getting (note the reference to *still*) RC2 from and I>pointed out exactly where they are most likely to be getting>it from.>>I did not 'accuse' you of anything whatsoever and in fact I>never even considered the possibility that you had anything>other than legit access to RC2. The fact that you somehow>managed to read an acusation into my post says lots more about>you than it does me.>>TriangleMy apologies Triangle, it is terribly difficult to discern from simple text the writers intent, as in this case. I did reply in haste becasue as I saw it at them time you were insinuating I had obtained Vista in such a way.However just to defend my statement of the origin of the software I don't take lightly piracy nor it's consequences.Jason

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There are a lot of us with RC-1 that forked over the $$ to get the DVD's that got locked out of RC-2 so please bear with us. Kind of stings when we read that someone just installed RC-2. some people that wern't on the beta 2 or RC-1 download or DVD program wound up getting RC-2 just because they tripped over the MS site at the right time. in reality it sucks for us that followed MS procedures.

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But on further reflection, I can see how my remark could have been interpreted as it was and I apologise - no offence meant and nothing untoward suggested.Triangle :-)

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