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I was in Irkutsk, Siberia a few years back right after an IL-72 biffed it in after taking off some 20t overloaded.These folks look to have narrowly escaped with their lives. Wonder how much vodka the crew had to drink.Bob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile

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>Wonder how much vodka the crew had to drink.I think I'd need atleast a fifth to "calm my nerves" after that takeoff. :-hah----------------------------------------------------------------John MorganReal World: KGEG, UND Aerospace Spokane Satillite, Private ASEL 141.2 hrs, 314 landings, 46 inst. apprs.Virtual: MSFS 2004"There is a feeling about an airport that no other piece of ground can have. No matter what the name of the country on whose land it lies, an airport is a place you can see and touch that leads to a reality that can only be thought and felt." - The Bridge Across Forever: A Love Story by Richard Bach

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>Just another day @ the office.>>4 Kuznetsov engines earning their pay :(Well, what's the problem? They just could hit 'Y' and slew back to runway start. :-lol :-lol :-lol Marco

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Really this picture may not be as bad as it looks. It is quite possible that the Pilot allowed the jet to pass VR before rotating.Maybe he wanted the extra margin of speed for some reason or other.On days of severe downdraughts I have often allowed an aircraft to go beyond it calculated VR speed before rotating to allow an extra margin.Say VR had occurred 300 metres before the end of the runway the pilot may have made a definate descision to hold her down knowing that once past VR he could rotate at any time and literally at the numbers.We presume from the photo that they were white knuckled with full thrust praying for the speed to reach VR before the runway ran out.Peter

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>It is quite possible that the Pilot allowed the jet to pass VR>before rotating.Peter,I doubt it. IL-86 are knowns to suffer from being too heavy and underpowered. Also if the pilot reached VR in a "normal" place on the runway but extended the take off roll - the resulting extra take off speed at the end of the runway would probably exceed tire speed limits. No, my guess is that they had no margin of safety in this case.Michael J.http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/pmdg_744F.jpghttp://sales.hifisim.com/pub-download/asv6-banner-beta.jpg

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Tyre speed would be a limiting factor but there is normally a good margin of speed in the tyres to cover grosse weight speeds and a fair bit on top.I do not know the IL-86 so am shooting in the dark as to what would possess a sane pilot to attempt a takeoff with what would amount to a prayer.Other factors could be a tailwind takeoff which became stronger than stated or was misheard (Russian)a mistake regarding temperature calculations or even selecting incorrect flap.I do not believe a pilot would look at his charts decide the aircraft needed 1000 m to reach VR and attempt a takeoff on a 1000 m runway.But ??? maybe :-)Peter

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that looks like me in my early days of flight simming when I never knew how to trim properly. from what Ive read, those russian charters are known to pack in people over their weight limits, add that to the hot and unbelievably humid weather (go to vegas on a hot summers day and watch the 727s and other older birds struggle even) and you have that great picture. nice shot, but I would probably be praying rather than preparing to take a picture. yikes

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