John Carmack, one of the most distinguished characters within the gaming development community & creator of several revolutionary graphics engines, puts Windows Vista in its place...http://www.joystiq.com/2007/01/11/carmack-...ing-initiative/

Pity.... he could have waited for a full DirectX10 release before deciding to spew about it :) I mean, it's like saying a new car is crap before actually taking it out for a REAL spin, not just sitting in it.If anything, I think he's just mad that DX10 is a change that requires his audience to spend a ton of money to go from a high-end Dx9 based system to a medium Dx10 system.... and how MS is implementing the whole thing as a course of action that can't be avoided. (no back compat).Oh well, so Doom4 will be XP and 360 only, that's okay, because FSX3 will be out by then; and most gamers will be DX10 based because all the good games use it :)

Well, I for one don't consider Carmack a god, he recently spouted off at a rival game producer, now its Vista and DX10.If he wont develop for vista and only XP and X-Box, its no skin off my nose because I don't like his kind of games anyway.

From reading the comment, I don't believe he said anything about DX10, except that he was unhappy that you have to have vista in order to get it.scott s..

I don't know if I agree with the angle here (The drama queen "Vista sucks!"-angle). All he's saying is that Vista doesn't really offer something new gaming-wise compared to XP, especially because he thinks MS should release DX10 on XP. Which is kinda true. But when all has been said, DX10 DOES only come with Vista, that is the reality, so... I guess Vista DOES offer something over XP after all... Now, I suppose he prefers OpenGL anyway...

I think what he is getting at, is that he feels like a king in his empire, and that he shouldn't have to jump thru Billies hoops like the rest of us.Fact is... a new graphics platform will be available only on Vista and forthcoming releases from MS. Developers will either embrace it or drive it into the ground. Most developers out there are absolutely raving about the enhancements that DX10 technology has brought to the industry.... so if 'Id' don't want to utilize it, fine by me :) There will be plenty of other developers who will market DX10 games.There is no future for DX9.... so his options are to get on the bus or go make console games.

Well I have a test rig with Vista running and it delivers about 50% the performance of XP, both with FSX and FS9. Especially Visa+FSX I cannot get to run smooth anyhwere, even with minimum configuration, no AI stuff etc. So I can only hope there will be some major developments before the release :) Maybe they just delay it until the proper hardware comes along.

STOP!Before the next person starts spreading uninformed rubbish could they stop and read the actual interview with John Carmack. And by read, and I do mean stop and READ it. Boring I know. So much easier to speak from ignorance.Interview in question:http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200....1737.15034.htmIt's quite an interesting interview and certainly a good read. I read it a couple of days ago and from memory there's not a lot to disagree with John on.

A message to the forum moderators and to avism in generalSlamming must stop.A dim view should be taken when people really slam this hard. Yes, air a view and say something like, "I'm getting a memory leak when using a dual core and I've not yet seen Aces admit it's there"Say something like "Not sure I agree with John Carmack as we can't verify his findings at this time. Let's hope he's wrong and we don't get suckered in to buying Vista and a new computer to make it work"But please guys stop the personal attacks. I've been the victim of personal attacks countless times, here on avsim but nowhere else, and never are those threads pulled and it really does bring down the atmosphere here at Avsim.Yes, I know sometimes people post when frustrated something like "This FSX is crap I can't get good fps.~" that's understandable, and we all do that sometimes after reformatting our hard drive six times in a month. We've all been there.OK, attack a product sometimes when it's really taking the pee out of us, maybe if it's well over priced and under performs too.Because we are allowed to slam we do slam but if a new rule was brought in that said something like "if a post is considered to be a personal attack at an individual, when the company or product is small may also be considered personal at times, the consequences will be that all parties contributing to the personal attack will be banned for a period of time to allow a cooling off.Why guys are you attacking John Carmak!!!!! He's done nothing wrong and in a court of law some of those remarks could see you guys in serious trouble.And make no mistake, your email address can be traced to you even if you think it can't if you hide behind an alias.John Carmak, could decide to instruct a lawyer to take action against some of these personal remarks, and then Avsim get dragged in to a lawsuit also. This kind of thing does not help anyone and least of all us. In the worst case it could mean Avsim have to close the site for a while.We all need to adjust to a higher moral code of conduct and negative or slamming posters should be given a harsh warning and ultimately banned if they refuse to be more respectful.

I was running Vista RC1 with FSX for a while. It out performed XP in all areas of the OS, including using FSX. Getting the right drivers was the key. The retail release won't have that problem as most hardware will have decent drivers by then.

>A message to the forum moderators and to avism in general>>Slamming must stop.>>A dim view should be taken when people really slam this hard.>Yes, air a view and say something like, >>"I'm getting a memory leak when using a dual core and I've not>yet seen Aces admit it's there">>Say something like "Not sure I agree with John Carmack as we>can't verify his findings at this time. Let's hope he's wrong>and we don't get suckered in to buying Vista and a new>computer to make it work">>But please guys stop the personal attacks. I've been the>victim of personal attacks countless times, here on avsim but>nowhere else, and never are those threads pulled and it really>does bring down the atmosphere here at Avsim.>>Yes, I know sometimes people post when frustrated something>like "This FSX is crap I can't get good fps.~" that's>understandable, and we all do that sometimes after>reformatting our hard drive six times in a month. We've all>been there.>>OK, attack a product sometimes when it's really taking the pee>out of us, maybe if it's well over priced and under performs>too.>>Because we are allowed to slam we do slam but if a new rule>was brought in that said something like "if a post is>considered to be a personal attack at an individual, when the>company or product is small may also be considered personal at>times, the consequences will be that all parties contributing>to the personal attack will be banned for a period of time to>allow a cooling off.>>Why guys are you attacking John Carmak!!!!! He's done nothing>wrong and in a court of law some of those remarks could see>you guys in serious trouble.>>And make no mistake, your email address can be traced to you>even if you think it can't if you hide behind an alias.>>John Carmak, could decide to instruct a lawyer to take action>against some of these personal remarks, and then Avsim get>dragged in to a lawsuit also. This kind of thing does not help>anyone and least of all us. In the worst case it could mean>Avsim have to close the site for a while.>>We all need to adjust to a higher moral code of conduct and>negative or slamming posters should be given a harsh warning>and ultimately banned if they refuse to be more respectful.With all due respect, and maybe it's just me, I'll even go along with that maybe there is something wrong with me, and I even agree that continuous trolling should be dealt with, and that there should be a certain etiquette when posting, BUT, I have to say that has got to be one of the weirdest out of the blue things I've read on this forum in a long time...

I don't think that John Carmack is a bad guy, never said he was. I was speculating that his comments regarding Vista could be applied to his own Doom3 release, and that it's pretty much a hypocritical thing for him to say. But now that the entire interview is available, maybe I would read that and correct my opinion.... instead, I replied to this and wasted some time.I also don't think the he could give a hoot what some unknown says in a forum about him.

Well, you don't give your name, hardly suprising if you are insulting others, nor do you identify your sex.Nuff said and case proven,You insult me with this remark, which serves no purpose other than to inflame,you insult John calling him a queen and I bet if we did a search for posts made by you over the past months there would be plently of other insults.The only other posts I can find by you are below which come out of context but do show at leat to me an insulting tone. you are either a low poster or you have more than one alias. Either way my message is it's this kind of thing that is being allowed and is causing the tone of the fourm to go south all too often. Anyway below are the only other posts by this alias guy I can find.Quote;Just shut up about x-plane already. We are all simmers, we all know about x-plane, and there's a reason there are different forums for each piece of software... Spew your x-plane advertisements elsewhere please.end quote;quote;Do you know that friend who are constantly repeating the same old story over and over again as if he didn't tell you a million times before..? And just the thought of yet again having to sit through the tediousness the next tim you meet him makes you kind of...cringe...? That is what these forums are starting to feel like to me these days...End quote;Now I fully appriciate that this alias guy with a coded alias that implies he really does not want to easilly be remembered may in fact in person be a really nice guy. b00io or what ever he's called. Nameless either way.I simply think it would be really cool if there could be some way of monitoring this kind of thing better but I do appriciate it's not going to be easy nor practical.So what we've got here is a low poster who uses a lot drama in his remraks and looks to either insult others or inflame and this guy is clearly not posting much that is of use or helpful.Like I say probably the real person, if using his real name, would be much nicer and post with far more consideration to how others feel.Peter

I didn't think your post was insulting to John.No need to justify your post sir,At least you called or implied John was a "King" which most men would not find insult in.I see nothing wrong with your post, sir. Intelligent and justifed.Forgive me if you though I was aiming my remarks to you sir.Peter Wilding

>Well, you don't give your name, hardly suprising if you are>insulting others, nor do you identify your sex.>>Nuff said and case proven,>>You insult me with this remark, which serves no purpose other>than to inflame,>>you insult John calling him a queen and I bet if we did a>search for posts made by you over the past months there would>be plently of other insults.>>I expect more insults will come.Wow... All my "drama-queen" (In hindsight I guess I should've written just "drama", but I didn't expect it to turn out to be such an issue) comment was about was the angle in general (Regarding the topic of the thread), it had nothing to do with Carmack. In fact, I honestly thought I was somewhat defending Carmack with my comment where I thought that i clearly stated that I didn't really think he was talking about Vista "sucking" ("thumbs down"). Maybe you should've cleared that misunderstanding with me before coming with odd lawsuit threaths...? Your ad hominem type of rhetoric is baffling me as I don't quite feel that I deserve it. Giving me in even for possible future insults (!) is a way too extreme and unfair in my opinion... But yeah, maybe I'm a agressive #### who deserve to be judged and hanged for my horrible awful wrongdoing on this board. So if that is the general consensus then I will gladly leave if that makes you feel better.Oh, I'm Bjorn from Norway by the way. If you send me a private message I'll give you my full name and address, and even my sex if it's that important to you. Until I read what you think my lack of personal information meant, I had never thought about it being such an issue, and for it to be used for proof of how I'm such a bad person. It's (my seemingly confusing username) just what I use for login name in general because I consider it easier to use than my kind of obscure first and last name which contains letters not used in the english alphabet. I consider myself a normal human being happy to have a great hobby as flight simming, and love flying in real life as well. Nice to meet you...