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The Big Question Concerning XP vs. Vista to me!

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There are a number of posts comparing these two operating systems already dealing with the generic qualities of both. Included is consideration for when XP will no longer be available. The consensus seems to be about a year, and/or when the current stock is exhausted. Speculation also is that Microsoft support will cease within about three years.My specific question is: When support ceases for XP, will that mean that after reinstallation from the CD's, one will no longer be able to reactivate XP by telephone to Microsoft? If so, seems that we are going to be forced to go to Vista, or backtrack to Windows 98SE or some other pre-XP operating system or be dead in the water.Although I have never owned one, it sometimes sure looks like the "MAC/Apple" zealots have something going for them. I just wish there was a flightsim version for that system. If nothing else, the competition might cover a lot of hassle (Yea, I realize it also might even make it worse).Happy flying:RTH

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This is a quarterly e-mail update we get from Microsoft at my company. Just received it today:Please note upcoming critical product transitions to ensure your software is supported and your environment is secure.Transitioning from Mainstream Support to Extended Support- Visual Studio .NET 2002

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Thanks Reggie:I am not really worrying now, nor will I in the future, but I am curious. We are crossing a new bridge concerning reinstallation of XP in future years. Your speculation (if I picked the right word) that reactivation will no longer be necessary after support ends probably would be a relief for many.Respectfully:RTH

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Reactivation will almost certainly be required, but the phone reactivation will almost certainly disappear.None of us, and probably no one at MS, knows yet how that will be handled in cases where on-line reactivation does not work.The systems could be set to allow unlimited reactivations. It could be set to tell that specific computer that reactivation is no longer required. The current system could be continued indefinitely.It is unrealistic to expect Microsoft to allow thousands of multiple activations of one serial number.XP in two years will be where Windows 2000 is today.

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Thanks for the info Reggie and I agree with you completely the best wasy to acquire Vista is to buy a new machine. That is what I have been advising.Windows 98 is no longer supported, by the way. I keep trying to tell my Dad he needs to move to XP because there are no new security patches, and I gave him an AMD system with XP SP 2 installed, but he just won't switch, lol, took him ages to stop using DOS. Oh, well.

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>You are not going to a pre-XP operating system unless you are>willing to change to FS2000 or FS2002.Incorrect. FS2004 runs beautifully on W98SE. FSX is the first MSFS that won

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Actually, we just received information from MS that they have extended the support of the XP operating systems from 2009 to 2014.No need to hurry.Pat

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>Reactivation will almost certainly be required, but the phone>reactivation will almost certainly disappear.>>None of us, and probably no one at MS, knows yet how that will>be handled in cases where on-line reactivation does not work.>>The systems could be set to allow unlimited reactivations. It>could be set to tell that specific computer that reactivation>is no longer required. The current system could be continued>indefinitely.>>It is unrealistic to expect Microsoft to allow thousands of>multiple activations of one serial number.>>XP in two years will be where Windows 2000 is today.>>Well, if you are an MSDN subscriber, you will find special keys for you. For example, I have a key that will activat XP ten times.If you download Win98 off the site, they give everybody the same key.I certainly think that they will keep XP on MSDN for a long time to come, and if it requires activation, it may well be the same key for everyone.My guess is that there will be a version that does not require activation. There will be huge legal issues for them if they don't let people who purchased an XP license continue to use it. There is no end-date for the license, so it must be available indefinately.

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>Good Lord. Worrying about whether Microsoft is going to swoop>in in a black helicopter and take your XP CD from you on April>14, 2009 is not a good way to spend your time (black>helicopter added for emphasis). >>There are a lot of people on this forum that know a lot about>flying and FSX. There don't seem to be as many people who>know about operating systems and software in general. There>are also a LOT of people that prognosticate about Vista and>the evil Microsoft who don't run Vista, have never seen Vista,>and probably learn what they know about Vista on some>pass-the-Koolaid Apple or Linux forum (re: Vista sucks), or>from the conventional wisdom that has formed on this forum>that Vista is evil incarnate.>>Here is what Vista is:>>1. An OS that adds new features that XP doesn't have. It will>use more memory and resources than XP, but it also uses them>more intelligently (SuperFetch, ReadyBost, ReadyDrive). If>you have the hardware, it will get more out of it. If you>don't have the hardware, use XP until you do. >>2. The only OS that has DirectX 10, which is what will make>FSX look its best in the future.>>Number 2 did it for me. 1 was just gravy.>>If you get a new computer in the next year or two and want to>run FSX, IT WILL HAVE VISTA ON IT. The "worst" option is your>only option. The horror!!! :( I suppose you could reformat>and install XP if you want.>>I chose the "worst" option before the "worst" option was even>generally available (in December). FSX works fine on the>"worst" option (with 2 gigs of RAM). And its even 64-bit>Vista (the WORST "worst" option).>>Vista is new now, so there can be some driver issues depending>on your hardware. But that's getting ironed out as we speak,>and will only get better with time.>>Rhodges, you don't have to worry about anything for awhile. >And even after 2009, you'll still be able to use XP...just>activate it over the Internet. > >>I wouldn

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Hi,Three out of four PC's In my household still havewindows ME running. ME is really a FAT version ofWinXP (NTFS). They are as reliable as My XP one - AND - we still receive Microsoft's automatic updates regularly.Hows that for "not supported" H.A.N.D.

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>Hi,>>Three out of four PC's In my household still have>windows ME running. ME is really a FAT version of>WinXP (NTFS). They are as reliable as My XP one - AND - >we still receive Microsoft's automatic updates regularly.>>Hows that for "not supported" >>H.A.N.D.I don't think ME has anything to do with WXP.http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsMe/

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>I learned long ago that the soundest advice on the NET comes>from those with alcoholic beverages in their handles. The>forum is immeasurably stronger for your piece. Thank you.>>:-beerchug :-beerchug :-beerchug :-beerchug >Thanks...cool smilies. Sorry, I kind of went off a little.

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Yeah, the DRM in Vista has issues. BTW, I can confirm that Windows Me is nothing like XP. Me was built off the Windows 95/98 codebase. XP was built off the 2000 codebase, which came from NT. NT was a brand new operating system that totally diverged from Win 95/98. This caused compatibiliy issues, but had a lot of advantages because they could start from a clean slate.

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>Yeah, the DRM in Vista has issues. >>BTW, I can confirm that Windows Me is nothing like XP. Me was>built off the Windows 95/98 codebase. XP was built off the>2000 codebase, which came from NT. NT was a brand new>operating system that totally diverged from Win 95/98. >>This caused compatibiliy issues, but had a lot of advantages>because they could start from a clean slate.>Well! - that is just SO reassuringWith their track record of releasing software with literally '000's of "bugs" (sorry - undocumented Features) - which they have obviously given up trying to patch after all these yearsYou would have us blindly believe that they have Finally got their act together - sorry too much - from what I have seen - the ONLY thing that they have improved is their own GUARANTEED INCOME STREAMJust MHO

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Blindy believe? Where did I say that?The DRM stuff are design issues. Microsoft decided to build DRM into Vista to protect intellectual property (ie copying music or video). If they've gone too far in certain areas, and break functionality that should work, that's not good. Either we find workarounds, or Microsoft fixes them, or you're SOL. Since this is a flight simulator forum, my first post was concerned with running FSX on Vista. That works, and it works rather well for me.Oh, and yeah, they're in business to make money. I am, too.

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>>I learned long ago that the soundest advice on the NET>comes>>from those with alcoholic beverages in their handles. The>>forum is immeasurably stronger for your piece. Thank you.>>>>:-beerchug :-beerchug :-beerchug :-beerchug >>>>Thanks...cool smilies. Sorry, I kind of went off a little.I

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Vista is the FIRST MS O.S. that I find incredulous that ANYBODY would willingly put this Cripple-Ware (BluRay)/Corporate Spy-Ware upon a computer that MS did NOT buy them, so has no moral authority to delegate through their software 'front-end' GUI what you shall or shall NOT do with it (the hardware)Vista has succeeded in turning me right off Microsoft's O.S.'s whereby I now **WILL** look at other platforms/O.S.'s. beyond XP Pro.I, like so many others had become complacent, for until Vista---MS products were solid value for the money, and from XP, backwards, was merely a G.U.I...a 'WINDOW' to the zeros and one's of native code.Big Brother HAS arrived! His name is: VISTA!MS has closed this person's wallet if VISTA is what shall be beyond XP. Until Vista was documented and released, I would have never considered removing Microsoft as a candidate for next O.S. or platform.That has changed....just like Microsoft....has changed.....Microsoft had better take the opinion of many, many persons throughout many dedicated-topic/hobby forums seriously, unless they don't mind committing Corporate Suicide....My opinion and personal expression. Other's might not agree with part, or all of it. Their right to do so. My right to post it.Mitch

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Although I agree with the intellectual challenge to Microsofts misappropriation of my hardware, and the need for consumers to finally educate themselves as to precisely what they are giving away when they sign up for Vista, for me the issue of trust comes from another direction - the FSX direction, and in keeping with the purpose and definition of this forum.FSX is written for Vista, it says so in Black and White. Yet it takes no advantage of ANY of the much-vaunted enhancements and features of Vista - as the performance figures show. We have to trust ACES to deliver that at some point in the future, yet retain our enthusiasm for it in the meantime, without any kind of incentive or recognition of the failure by MS. Why?In any other commerical enterprise a refund, discount - or at the very least an apology - would have been supplied by now, in order to keep the customer sweet, to keep them frmo bailing and asking for their money back, or most importantly to keep them from recognising that they haven't been delivered what was promised. And some of those erroneous promises are STILL to be found on MS websites. Then there was a Bbreach of Trust when we accepted at face value the pre-release assertions that FSX was developed for Vista and would be an improvement when run under that OS. I was prepared to accept that my rig would need upgrading to keep pace with the new sim, and I trusted ACES to produce a product with a defined ability to take advantage of some existent or emergent technology. They failed. Now we are expected to trust ACES, a division of MS, to deliver a product that we have already bought and paid for, on some future platform as yet undefined, in a workable condition? Where, I ask, is that trust supposed to come from? Trust is earned, not a right. MS have abused our trust - and the interraction of FSX and Vista with its limited activation policy continues to abuse that trust to the point of infuriation.{i}At the very least[/i] the limited activation policy of FSX should be amended to allow automatic online reactivation for ALL existing customers - in other words remove ALL the hurdles that we are having to leap over just to get their manky ganme running on their manky OS.In an ideal world, MS would use the activation agreement to offer ALL current users a voucher discount on purchases of Vista, or a part-refund on FSX, accurately reflecting the degree of failure in the product. That voucher can be removed when - if - ACES finally deliver a platform-ready game via Patch One (XP) and Patch Two (Vista/DX10). The imperative on ACES to deliver within timescales would be reinforced by pressure from above, as their failure would then be costing the company money, not us. THAT woud be a fair reflection on who is to `blame`, or at least, responsible.That would be some form of compensation for sitting here with a game that is unusable in its current state in the form described in MS literature.And that is the difference between the real world of commerce, and the monopolistic, arrogant, unapologetic MS universe. A universe I have no desire to join through Vista, if it means handing over the keys to my computer to an organisation that truthfully does regard its customers as liars and thieves.Allcott

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>Vista is the FIRST MS O.S. that I find incredulous that>ANYBODY would willingly put this Cripple-Ware>(BluRay)/Corporate Spy-Ware upon a computer that MS did NOT>buy them, so has no moral authority to delegate through their>software 'front-end' GUI what you shall or shall NOT do with>it (the hardware)>>Vista has succeeded in turning me right off Microsoft's O.S.'s>whereby I now **WILL** look at other platforms/O.S.'s. beyond>XP Pro.>>I, like so many others had become complacent, for until>Vista---MS products were solid value for the money, and from>XP, backwards, was merely a G.U.I...a 'WINDOW' to the zeros>and one's of native code.>>Big Brother HAS arrived! His name is: VISTA!>>MS has closed this person's wallet if VISTA is what shall be>beyond XP. Until Vista was documented and released, I would>have never considered removing Microsoft as a candidate for>next O.S. or platform.>>That has changed....just like Microsoft....has changed.....>>Microsoft had better take the opinion of many, many persons>throughout many dedicated-topic/hobby forums seriously, unless>they don't mind committing Corporate Suicide....>>My opinion and personal expression. Other's might not agree>with part, or all of it. Their right to do so. My right to>post it.>>>MitchI am equally incredulous, Mitch.I couldn

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Vista is like arming the cops.Just because they have a weapon does not mean the will ever have to use it.It may be people are exagerating this altogether.But I doubt it....ha ha al

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Mitch-I am not happy with the direction of Vista or software in general but one has to ask why they have gone this direction.All one has to do is visit a typical college campus-or one of your high school kids/grandkids computers and one will find them filled with counterfit copies of windows/software/copyrighted music-often they are not even aware they have done it.When did Microsoft/software companies start taking this "big brother" approach? When they discovered that millions of dollars were being stolen from them by basically "good" people who would never blatantly steal from a store, have no problem running illegal copies of sofware/music/videos.Of course there is the mentality that a company like Microsoft makes billions and really should't care-or the big recording companies/performers are rich and shouldn't mind etc. However, those companies are manned by lots of guys like you and me who see the effects of this stealing in their bottom line paychecks.I know because I am in the music business-and some of my income is derived from many of the recordings I have done. Everytime someone copies my music, puts it on a video-I lose some gallons of avgas! :-)10 years ago this wasn't a problem-unfortunately it is today. I wish there was a beter solution. Honesty and personal priciples would be the best solution but it seems to be sadly lacking in todays' world.http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

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