2 hours ago, RALF9636 said:

No. I never said that. 

And those that were shut down recently did give credit to the authors and did not claim it to be all their own work.

Your post is a typical strawman argument.

No. I never said that....!

Oh but you did. 

Let me repeat it for you verbatim:

Still fortunately enough there are many freeware developers who are willing to tolerate infringements of such a disclaimer by other freeware developers if it is done politely or they even go ahead and offer the other freeware developer to work together for the benefit of the community.

So then you accuse me of concocting a "typical strawman argument", and in doing so you are suggesting I meant to distract from the real issue being discussed, or that my distorted interpretation is only remotely related to the original claim and/or that I have taken you out of context. These are all elements of the strawman argument.   

Well let's see my entire response:  

How you 'politely' infringe another freeware developers express disclaimer not to use their IP without their explicit permission, escapes me. I think you are saying that it's ok to copy someone else's work as if it's your own since 'enough' freeware developers will not openly object to such copying.

Your discussion is around freeware developers tolerating infringements of their disclaimers so long as it is done politely. My response directly relates to that.  Nothing taken out of context and nothing trying to distract from the real issue being discussed, which is about not asking permission to use someone's IP.   

Perhaps you are taking exception with my inference that your position on the subject suggests support for the passive stealing of other peoples work, even if you didn't really mean to say that.  The fact is your statement infers that: 

 "fortunately enough there are many freeware developers who are willing to tolerate infringements of such a disclaimer".

You have hardly supported the position of seeking permission before using other peoples work now have you? So I don't think my response is distorted or only remotely related to your original claim.

Interestingly, the only strawman argument is your  "typical strawman argument" statement itself. This leads me to defend against you in a discussion designed to distract from the real issue being discussed. Well played RALF 🙂.

 

So, back to the real issue. AIG have every right to refuse access to their work. You and others on here can make as many judgements about them as you wish in terms of their community spirit but I would wager hypocrisy will be your constant companion as many of you greedily download anything AIG finally put on the table (free) despite your current protestations. 

And why is this even an issue? Because the work and licensing that AIG have done is time consuming and detailed. If it was easy, then other freeware developers would do it themselves rather that using AIG's work. 

Look, I'm as frustrated as anybody over this lack of AI.  It was my raison d'etre for getting MSFS and I'm pretty, fairly, bitterly disappointed. But attacking the very hand that feeds us is not going to help.  Good things come to those who wait I am told. 

 

Terry

 

 

 

 

 

51 minutes ago, Lord Farringdon said:

No. I never said that....!

Oh but you did. 

Let me repeat it for you verbatim:

Still fortunately enough there are many freeware developers who are willing to tolerate infringements of such a disclaimer by other freeware developers if it is done politely or they even go ahead and offer the other freeware developer to work together for the benefit of the community.

So then you accuse me of concocting a "typical strawman argument", and in doing so you are suggesting I meant to distract from the real issue being discussed, or that my distorted interpretation is only remotely related to the original claim and/or that I have taken you out of context. These are all elements of the strawman argument.   

Well let's see my entire response:  

How you 'politely' infringe another freeware developers express disclaimer not to use their IP without their explicit permission, escapes me. I think you are saying that it's ok to copy someone else's work as if it's your own since 'enough' freeware developers will not openly object to such copying.

Your discussion is around freeware developers tolerating infringements of their disclaimers so long as it is done politely. My response directly relates to that.  Nothing taken out of context and nothing trying to distract from the real issue being discussed, which is about not asking permission to use someone's IP.   

Perhaps you are taking exception with my inference that your position on the subject suggests support for the passive stealing of other peoples work, even if you didn't really mean to say that.  The fact is your statement infers that: 

 "fortunately enough there are many freeware developers who are willing to tolerate infringements of such a disclaimer".

You have hardly supported the position of seeking permission before using other peoples work now have you? So I don't think my response is distorted or only remotely related to your original claim.

Interestingly, the only strawman argument is your  "typical strawman argument" statement itself. This leads me to defend against you in a discussion designed to distract from the real issue being discussed. Well played RALF 🙂.

 

So, back to the real issue. AIG have every right to refuse access to their work. You and others on here can make as many judgements about them as you wish in terms of their community spirit but I would wager hypocrisy will be your constant companion as many of you greedily download anything AIG finally put on the table (free) despite your current protestations. 

And why is this even an issue? Because the work and licensing that AIG have done is time consuming and detailed. If it was easy, then other freeware developers would do it themselves rather that using AIG's work. 

Look, I'm as frustrated as anybody over this lack of AI.  It was my raison d'etre for getting MSFS and I'm pretty, fairly, bitterly disappointed. But attacking the very hand that feeds us is not going to help.  Good things come to those who wait I am told. 

 

Terry

 

 

 

 

 

Has AIG the permission of real companies to use their image and name in the liveries?

56 minutes ago, Lord Farringdon said:

 

Ok, I take back that strawman argument thing and apologize for that.

Still I think you miss the point I was trying to make.

Honanhal in the post right before yours pointed it out nicely.