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FBW Logitech Yoke landing woes.

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I had been enjoying FS2020 so much, flying the excellent FBW A20N.  I have the development version  I had adjusted my Joystick L-Axis Y sensitivity setting to -30% per their recommended settings.  My landings were wonderful.  A slight tug on the yoke and a perfect flare and thus a perfect landing almost every time.  But, then something changed after a FBW update.  I rechecked my settings in FS2020 and nothing had changed there, but now, when landing, that slight tug (in fact, any tug) will send the airplane drastically nose up which, then of course, I try to correct and that sends the plane drastically nose down and...well...those landings, which were so wonderful are now horrible.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Again, I'm using the development version.  Can anyone recommend any other settings?  Thanks.

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Bob Bressert

21 minutes ago, bobterri said:

I had been enjoying FS2020 so much, flying the excellent FBW A20N.  I have the development version  I had adjusted my Joystick L-Axis Y sensitivity setting to -30% per their recommended settings.  My landings were wonderful.  A slight tug on the yoke and a perfect flare and thus a perfect landing almost every time.  But, then something changed after a FBW update.  I rechecked my settings in FS2020 and nothing had changed there, but now, when landing, that slight tug (in fact, any tug) will send the airplane drastically nose up which, then of course, I try to correct and that sends the plane drastically nose down and...well...those landings, which were so wonderful are now horrible.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Again, I'm using the development version.  Can anyone recommend any other settings?  Thanks.

Funny I have noticed that my Honeycomb  yoke seems way more sensitive, all I have is a slight deadzone with the sensitivity all on zero. The last few flights I’ve done I found that once I rotate if I keep a little back pressure on the yoke as I previously did once I get the gear up the aircraft pitches up quite dramatically. Maybe they are tweaking the flight characteristics behind the scenes.

Have you asked about this over at their discord server? Might be worthwhile. I’ll try the stable version when I get a chance and see if that’s any different.

 

Richard

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I did ask on their discord server and I just got an answer.  They did, in fact, change the settings a couple of updates ago.  Basically, I was told to play around with the settings until I find something that works. 

Bob Bressert

4 minutes ago, bobterri said:

I did ask on their discord server and I just got an answer.  They did, in fact, change the settings a couple of updates ago.  Basically, I was told to play around with the settings until I find something that works. 

At least we’re not going crazy, I’m pretty sure my passengers aren’t too impressed with my Space shuttle departures lol

What hardware do you have? I’ll try and experiment later today 

Let me know how you make out 

 

Richard

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As I mentioned, I have the Logitech Yoke.  Thanks for helping.

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Bob Bressert

54 minutes ago, RJC68 said:

once I rotate if I keep a little back pressure on the yoke as I previously did once I get the gear up the aircraft pitches up quite dramatically

I may be missing something here, but since this is an Airbus, won't continued back pressure on the stick/yoke cause the pitch angle to keep increasing until one of the safety limits kicks in? 

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1 hour ago, jrw4 said:

I may be missing something here, but since this is an Airbus, won't continued back pressure on the stick/yoke cause the pitch angle to keep increasing until one of the safety limits kicks in? 

You’re not wrong there as this aircraft is meant to be flown with a side stick. It should only require a one time input to nose up at the correct pitch and then lay off any input. I have found FBWs controls to be the most realistic in that respect compared to other addons.

7 minutes ago, JasonPC said:

this aircraft is meant to be flown with a side stick

Indeed yes in the real world, but simmers can fly it with a yoke if that's all they have. The key point is that Airbus normal law adjusts pitch to maintain 1.0 G acceleration with neutral pitch input. So if you're already in a climb allowing the stick/yoke to return a neutral position will yield a constant rate climb. If one then pulls back on the stick/yoke, that climb rate will increase, which is what @RJC68 observed. This is "normal" behavior in Airbus Normal Law.

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Look, guys, the Logitech Yoke is what I have.  I can't afford to buy anything else for now.  With what I have, can anyone help me?

Bob Bressert

2 hours ago, jrw4 said:

Indeed yes in the real world, but simmers can fly it with a yoke if that's all they have. The key point is that Airbus normal law adjusts pitch to maintain 1.0 G acceleration with neutral pitch input. So if you're already in a climb allowing the stick/yoke to return a neutral position will yield a constant rate climb. If one then pulls back on the stick/yoke, that climb rate will increase, which is what @RJC68 observed. This is "normal" behavior in Airbus Normal Law.

And of course I made a rookie mistake (too many flights in a certain 737 lol)

I did tweak the curves and my last take off was pretty much as in the past, I don't apply a lot of back pressure on the yoke just gently hold it in position but I should really break that habit in the A32NX 🙂

Maybe the OP can check and calibrate his yoke

 

Richard

i7-12700K | Noctua NH-D15S Black Version | MSI Pro Z690 - A | 32 GB DDR4 3600 | Gigabyte Gaming OC 4090 | 1TB WD Blue NMVe (MSFS 2020) | 500 GB WD Black Gen 4 NVMe | 4TB WD Black Conventional | Fractal Design Torrent Case | Seasonic 1000W Gold Plus PSU | Thrustmaster Boeing Yoke | Honeycomb Throttle | Airbus Side Stick | Virpil Rudder Pedals | Sony X90K 55 Inch TV |

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1 hour ago, bobterri said:

Look, guys, the Logitech Yoke is what I have.  I can't afford to buy anything else for now.  With what I have, can anyone help me?

Set a flatter curve on your yoke until you are satisfied, you can also use the Extremely deadzone settings to achieve what you want if negative sensitivity is not enough.

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3 hours ago, bobterri said:

Look, guys, the Logitech Yoke is what I have.  I can't afford to buy anything else for now.  With what I have, can anyone help me?

I have the same yoke and I find it fine to fly. You just have to think of flying with it differently. It's more like aiming at a target and then allowing the plane to follow it rather than having to make any kind of constant adjustments.

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I have been flying Airbuses in FSX, P3D and now, FS2020.  Up to this point I haven't had this problem.  I've been using this same Logitech Yoke all this time.  The people over on FBW discord said they did, indeed, change the settings a view updates ago.  I am trying some new settings tonight.  Hopefully they will help.

Bob Bressert

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