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I just stumbled on internet on some pretty gruesome pictures from an accident that took place just days ago in Poland. A pilot flying a Piper Cub was supposed to throw flowers onto a cemetry down below where a group of people gathered and participated in unveiling of some commemorative plaque. The pilot's grandfather was mentioned on that plaque. Something went wrong - the aircraft crashed just outside of the walls of the cemetery. Clearly someone had a ready camera since you can see the pilot being pulled from the wreckage and 14 other fairly intimate photos - unfortunately the pilot died on the spot. I am not posting any link since I don't want to create sensationalism - I just wonder what folks think of something like that. By the way the photos were published not on someone's personal website but in a regional internet gazette for the area.Michael J.http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/for...argo_hauler.gifhttp://sales.hifisim.com/pub-download/asv6-banner-beta.jpg

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G'day Michael,How do you expect anyone to post a meaningful post when you use your moral judgement and deny them access to the photo's to make up their own mind??Cheers,Roger

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ok, to view the photographs click:www.panorama.media.pl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5625then cick on the red text just below the article to go to the gallery.Michael J.

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Photos such as those should not be published especially if the people or person involved did not survive. Andrew

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G'day Michael,Ok I went to the site and randomly viewed a few of the pics. I agree that maybe a close relative may get upset by the photos but I can vividly remember the 9-11 pics of the aircraft crashing into the twin towers or a DC-10 cartwheeling in a ball of flame down a runway. None of the pics I saw were what I would define as graphically appauling. They weren't in your face so to speak and taken at a fair distance so detail wasn't that obvious. Tasteless is a moral term and to me they were just snaps by a photographer who just happened to be there at the time. I forget the origin of the quote but it goes like this;_" If 2 people die it's a tradgedy, if 2000 people die it's a statistic "I guess I've been desensitised to such pictures by the nightly news on TV. Cheers,Roger

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I viewed the photos of that crash, and no offense, Michael, what's the problem???Perhaps this photo is more comforting?http://mlans.dynip.com/blogpics/2004-05/2004-05-25-aa191.jpgOr perhaps this one?http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4..._March_1977.pngMaybe this one?http://www.psa-history.org/museum/pic/crash1.jpgOr...http://www.newprophecy.net/2000_Concorde_crash.jpgI read accident reports all the time, and sometimes look at the photos too. In fact, I just went through all the NTSB accident reports about Piper Dakota crashes to look at the causes of them (after a recent Dakota crash that killed 4 in our area). It is one thing to read words, but it is another to see photos. That really hits home when you fly for real.While I understand what you are saying, Michael, what's the point based on the photos I have shown above? With all due repect, I dare say that ALL those photos above are FAR, FAR more chilling than those you are talking about.Just my opinion, and I CERTAINLY respect yours!Regards,http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...R_FORUM_LOU.jpg

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Lou,I don't disagree. My initial shock in looking at the pictures was the fact that in the US media you never see a crash picture with human bodies visible - at least I don't recall seeing one, ever. You will see Concorde spewing fire or a crippled airliner coming down but these are shown as 'objects' only. You have to fill in blanks in your mind to realize there are people behind those aluminum walls. I will not argue which ones are worse - I see your point, for me it is only a matter of never seeing anything like that before. I am convinced the photos I showed here would never be allowed for publishing in an american press - I guess a testimony to certain peculiar sensitivities of this society.Michael J.

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Flight is dangerous. Occasionally, people die. Trying to forget or ignore this is futile. Most of us accept that the risk is worth the reward. Those who are unable to do this don't, and try to get legislation passed to prevent those of us who are from flying. For example, the space shuttle has had a 2% failure rate. Only 2% of shuttle flights flown have resulted in the death of the crew. However, those who are unable to accept this risk as acceptable are clamoring for a halt of the program and screaming that it's too dangerous. You can either accept that flight is dangerous and people will die, or join the crowd that wants us chained to the ground.

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Sorry but I could not see anything worse than I've seen in other news reports. I saw far worse come out from the Iraqi invasion when one of our reporters and his escort were bombed by a US warplane. Now some of those pics shown on the BBC news were far more graphic.

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the fact that in the US media you never see a crash picture with human bodies visible - at least I don't recall seeing one, ever.I've seen many aircraft crash photos in the US media showing parts of bodies. Back in the 60's and even in the past year. But unless you know what you are looking at, many people assume they are aircraft parts, not parts of people.Aircraft crashes are among the most violent, destructive things that happen to the human body. Most people never really understand what can and often does happen.The first time I went out to "look for a downed pilot" I thought it would be an exciting view out the doorway of a helicopter.Instead they lined up 20 or 30 of us about three feet apart - gave us latex gloves and plastic bags. Then marched us back and forth across the debris field. We recovered about 40 pounds of what was probably the pilot - nothing larger than 2 inches across.Unfortunately I've had the experience of dealing with the deaths of people and recovering bodies in shipboard fires, car crashes, combat mortar rounds, combat gunshot and, yes, a car bombing which killed 243. I've even had to do crime scene photos for a murder.On a few occasions I've had the unpleasant experience of working with a family when a US Navy sailor died overseas. It's very hard, sometimes impossible, to convince a father or mother that they really, really do not want to view what is left of their child after a military aircraft crash or shipboard accident.I think one mother in particular would pull a gun if she ever saw me again - because she refused to believe that what little was recoverable was really her son. Somehow it was my fault because I was the uniformed representative.Frankly there are things in this world people are better off not knowing the details.But we humans are insatiably curious and do not usually realize mistakes until it's too late.Yes the media is "tasteless" no if's, and's or but's about it.It's all about competition, never about humanity.And so are TV shows like CSI, which in my opinion should be rated X - no one under 17 allowed to view them.

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