10 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

....or maybe these services need to come to the xbox...or is there some inherent technical limitations that prevent this?

These services are available for X-Plane, P3D and all MS flightsims down to 2002 on processes outside the simulator. I think MS and X-box needs to be less limited (sandboxed) to use these services. They are the bottleneck.

Edited July 10, 20223 yr by jbdbow1970

32 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

....or maybe these services need to come to the xbox...or is there some inherent technical limitations that prevent this?

XBox is sandboxed to prevent hackers.  From my understanding from this article from 2020, the XBox One was never hacked, only XBox accounts were hacked.  For the same reasons, IOS for your IPhone and IPad, is also sandboxed, just like the XBox One, I don't think the IPhone or IPad has really been hacked before (unless you jailbreak it - once you jailbreak your IPhone or IPad, it can be hacked, and jailbreaking also makes your IPhone/IPad susceptible to viruses/malware, etc).

I highly doubt that Microsoft will ever loosen the sandboxing on XBox just to accompany stuff like VATSIM, IVAO, Fenix A320, etc. MSFS makes up a very small percentage of XBox users, and of those XBox users that use MSFS, a very small percentage want stuff like VATSIM, IVAO, etc.  So it's a small percentage of a small percentage, and Microsoft isn't going to change the XBox sandboxing just for them.  The exception would be making the XBox usable for PMDG 737, PMDG DC6, etc, but the XBox team probably told the MSFS team it could be done when MSFS put the PMDG DC6 on the XBox marketplace, only to find out that it couldn't be done, so the XBox team had to go back and change their sandboxing so that the PMDG 737, PMDG DC6, etc, can work on XBox (plus, Microsoft gets a cut from each PMDG 737 or PMDG DC6 sold in the marketplace, so that cut of money motivates the XBox team to fix whatever it was that stopped the PMDG 737 and PMDG DC6 from working on the XBox).

Edited July 10, 20223 yr by abrams_tank

46 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

XBox is sandboxed to prevent hackers.  From my understanding from this article from 2020, the XBox One was never hacked, only XBox accounts were hacked.  For the same reasons, IOS for your IPhone and IPad, is also sandboxed, just like the XBox One, I don't think the IPhone or IPad has really been hacked before (unless you jailbreak it - once you jailbreak your IPhone or IPad, it can be hacked, and jailbreaking also makes your IPhone/IPad susceptible to viruses/malware, etc).

I highly doubt that Microsoft will ever loosen the sandboxing on XBox just to accompany stuff like VATSIM, IVAO, Fenix A320, etc. MSFS makes up a very small percentage of XBox users, and of those XBox users that use MSFS, a very small percentage want stuff like VATSIM, IVAO, etc.  So it's a small percentage of a small percentage, and Microsoft isn't going to change the XBox sandboxing just for them.  The exception would be making the XBox usable for PMDG 737, PMDG DC6, etc, but the XBox team probably told the MSFS team it could be done when MSFS put the PMDG DC6 on the XBox marketplace, only to find out that it couldn't be done, so the XBox team had to go back and change their sandboxing so that the PMDG 737, PMDG DC6, etc, can work on XBox (plus, Microsoft gets a cut from each PMDG 737 or PMDG DC6 sold in the marketplace, so that cut of money motivates the XBox team to fix whatever it was that stopped the PMDG 737 and PMDG DC6 from working on the XBox).

Which is why X-box can't be taken seriously for realistic flight simming.

Edited July 10, 20223 yr by jbdbow1970

3 hours ago, jbdbow1970 said:

Wait until the 4XXX series drop before you buy anything later this year, you may find a really good deal on a 3xxx for real cheap

That seems to have become something of an urban myth, given the still ongoing universal shortage of GPUs and the vast amount of money that "scalpers" and retailers have spent to obtain their stock.
A quick look at this site will show you the original (UK) MSRP of the 3060 for example.
The basic 3060 was £248 and today's best price for the basic version is still £349.99, according to Pricespy.
The basic 3060ti was £300 and today's best price for the basic version is still £450.

A basic 2060 is still £309.99 on a MSRP of £344, three years after its release and a year and a half after the release of the 3060.

To address the subject of the topic:
An XBox may well look like an irresistible financial deal but for a developing simulator which has plenty of growing pains, its closed system offers no means of addressing issues that can be easily fixed on a PC.
I run MSFS perfectly well on a 1070ti (£369.99 in 2018) fed by an i5 11600k, so my advice would be to just carry on using the existing PC until or unless the world settles down a little and GPU prices get much nearer to where they should be.
 

 

 

Edited July 10, 20223 yr by Reader

Well, I may try MS FS2020 again on my machine.  
 

I wish some of my Flight 1 and Flyaware Sim AC  were available. 
 

I was just paying the monthly Game Pass until I decided what I was going to do.  
 

I was hoping the XBOX X series would be away to keep using both FSX-SE and MSFS 2020.  
 

But if the XBOX X is very light on the simulation compared  to the PC version that is an issue. I am in it for the flight simulation not a game!

 

 Thanks 
 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 10, 20223 yr by Skyseek

2 minutes ago, Skyseek said:

Well, I may try MS FS2020 again on my machine.  
 

I wish some of my Flight 1 and Flyaware Sim AC  were available. 
 

I was just paying the monthly Game Pass until I decided what I was going to do.  
 

I was hoping the XBOX X series would be away to keep using both FSX-SE and MSFS 2020.  
 

But if the XBOX X is very light on the simulation compared  to the PC version that is an issue. I am in it for the flight simulation not a game!

 

 Thanks 
 

 

 

 

 

 

If you’re in it for the flight simulation, then definitely a PC. With a PC, you can use VATSIM, AIG, the FBW A320, Fenix A320, all the freeware add-ons at flightsim.to, etc.

XBOX only support yokes, pedals etc that have an exclusive xbox chip installed.