I’m starting a new topic for those who wish to discuss the DCD Concorde.

This post may help those unfamiliar with the takeoff and departure procedure.

And this for the decel / descent procedure.

Thanks Ray for starting this.   Do we know when a true INS will be available?

5 minutes ago, nomad71 said:

Thanks Ray for starting this.   Do we know when a true INS will be available?

I don’t, sorry. @DC1973 should be able to help.

I wish someone would make an INS.  But coding that I would think would involve a different skillset than programming other systems.

Maybe we can coax Ernie Alston into doing it.  Or Working Title.

We have other forms of navigation fairly well locked down, the only major gap would be INS.  Or possibly realistic TACAN, but that is of lesser importance in my view, to a real CIVA-style INS, which was in wide use in the late 60's and through the 70's and into the 80's in many aircraft.

There is a CIVA INS for P3D v4 which shipped with the JustFlight (Michael Cependa) DC-8-50, but I'm unsure if the INS works in v5.  But I would think from a mathematical standpoint the code is there.  In my opinion there is nothing more satisfying in flight sim than using INS to cross an ocean, where you navigate yourself to within miles of your destination...that's called "success", my friends.  Maybe dead reckoning / celestial is more satisfying...but you understand my point I'm sure.

15 hours ago, nomad71 said:

Thanks Ray for starting this.   Do we know when a true INS will be available?

Work is underway for this. We already have a working INS in the CJ Simulations Typhoon, and managed to make it happen without WASM. The next major update should have it. Just unsure of how to implement it - as a separate Concorde within the package, or somehow within the same model as the FMC version, which will remain for those who wish to use it.

Great to hear this.   That will be a great addition and I like that users will be able to choose what option they want.   Keep up the great work. 

A few other questions for @DC1973 do you plan to add a digital display for the MACH speed?  Also, I believe in Concorde you had an arrow in the air speed indicator showing the maximum allowed speed at a certain stage of the flight.  Lastly, will we get markers to define V1, VR, etc. in the speed indicator? 

 

 

18 minutes ago, nomad71 said:

A few other questions for @DC1973 do you plan to add a digital display for the MACH speed?  Also, I believe in Concorde you had an arrow in the air speed indicator showing the maximum allowed speed at a certain stage of the flight.  Lastly, will we get markers to define V1, VR, etc. in the speed indicator? 

 

 

Mach speed digital display is on the centre console, Captain's side. Barber pole is in the IAS indicator - it's a simple one at this time but effective enough to prevent crucial overspeeds. Drag markers will also be added, less vital though to the general user as Concorde's flight model allows a little bit of leeway for the uninitiated. 

Edited February 3, 20233 yr by DC1973

I think @nomad71 might be referring to the Marilake cabin display.

28 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I think @nomad71 might be referring to the Marilake cabin display.

 

That's been there since launch, as was the cockpit Mach display.

Thanks to both.  I was referring to the cockpit indicator.   I will buy the plane this weekend 🙂 

@DC1973

Would it be possible to model some nicer cabin windows, lets say the way Asobo did on there planes ?

Lets say two ( or three ) on each side ? ( shure not all of them )

With longer flights i like to sit as a passenger near the windows looking out the plane but the cabin windows are realy out of date, looking like FSX windows not as MSFS 2020 cabin windows, that would realy be great !!

And would such windows also be possible on the wing area ?

For me a modeled cabin and passengers would not be so important but a few well-modeled (Asobo style) cabin windows, mutch more effective IMO. 👍

cheers 😉

@DC1973 so with the current fuel transfer limitations that were mentioned in the other thread since SU9 how flyable is the plane in it's current state?  If I were to purchase it could I do a full trans-Atlantic flight for example?  

With my 4090 coming and DLSS in MSFS I'd love to experience the V-Speeds of the Concorde at 120FPS to really get the feel of the speeds she commands... 

Just wondering what the actual current flyability is even with the limitations.

Thank you in advance!   

There are no current limitations in Concorde's flight performance, other than any bugs that MSFS routinely causes from time to time in any aircraft. We do routinely monitor bug reports of course, but somedays folks see a bug and the next day it's gone again. Seems just to be sim instability rather than anything else - generally Concorde is working fine and I see them crossing the Atlantic every day when testing other airplanes when multiplayer is switched on.

Concorde will perform all of the flights that the real Concorde could perform, in much the same way, as long as it's flown correctly. Although not study-level, balancing fuel CoG and other duties are required on longer flights to make sure you get all the way to JFK, for instance, with enough fuel to land. Air temperatures will affect the flight, and Concorde is usually somewhere below Mach 2 for most of the time despite what folks think ( Concorde was below Mach 2 most of the time in real life ). Mach 1.97 is the most often Mach number I see over the Atlantic.

Super-cruise, timed descents, correct landing airspeeds and attitudes are all in place. All that Concorde really needs is the addition of an INS and a hefty chunk of work on my part to bring the textures and modeling up-to-date. That's all just starting at the moment, so it will be a while before the work is done and available. I'm keen to get on with it though, Concorde's done tremendously well in sales and is very popular, so it's time now to bring it up to a new level.

18 minutes ago, pmplayer said:

@DC1973

Would it be possible to model some nicer cabin windows, lets say the way Asobo did on there planes ?

Lets say two ( or three ) on each side ? ( shure not all of them )

With longer flights i like to sit as a passenger near the windows looking out the plane but the cabin windows are realy out of date, looking like FSX windows not as MSFS 2020 cabin windows, that would realy be great !!

And would such windows also be possible on the wing area ?

For me a modeled cabin and passengers would not be so important but a few well-modeled (Asobo style) cabin windows, mutch more effective IMO. 👍

cheers 😉

Most people seemed to really like the fact that I included a cabin and passengers, but I agree the texturing and modeling needs upgrading, which is underway at this time as per my above post.