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DoF and Motionblur

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Hi simmers 😃

 

Today two effect shots.

A310 depth of field arrival at LIRF..

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And a B738 in motionblur somehow in USA..

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If you want to see the shots in the best resolution then please click on the picture !!

 

cheers 😉

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Very interesting !!

Any attempt to stretch fuel is guaranteed to increase headwinds

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Great shots buddy! 😉 

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Thank you all buddys !

cheers 😉

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Very nice effects, pmplayer....! From sharp focus up-front to (intentional) fuzziness far-off...

Liked the choice of your airplanes too...especially the AF A310...one of my favorite a/c in the SIM ...

 

Allow me to make a (constructive 🙋‍♂️ ) criticism of these images. 

The depth of field effect (DOF) should be used very carefully.
When the DOF is used in particular contexts, the main subject in the foreground does not lose its naturalness, it remains beautiful and highly realistic.

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With modern simulators, however, the DOF effect shouldn't be used because it causes an unexpected transformation, the plane looks like a toy, a small shelf model.

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This problem is more pronounced the more the aircraft is reflective.
The modern simulators (MSFS and XP12) use planes with very reflective sheet metal, sometimes even too reflective, they look like glass or porcelain.
All of these reflections contribute to the "toy effect" when using DOF.

I personally prefer images without the DOF. 😉
MSFS is absolute beautiful simulator, let's not spoil its graphics. 🙏

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Sorry Sir but you totally wrong and belive me my first Hobby is wildlife Photographie and i am doeing this now 25 years so i know what DoF is you can be shure...

But your shown real life pics are OK but this is not the same Situation like my MSFS A310 shot.

I will try to explain but first, my MSFS shots are not using the Ingame DoF and Motionblur, they all worked out with Photoshop my own.

You can not do it more ore less perfect with the Ingame technik.

So every shot you see made like this from me is word not allowed long time consuming, by the way..

So as you see in your real life shots the DoF has some sharpnes in front and the back of the main subject what is in your pics the sitting Girl in the grass.

So my example is the A310 MSFS shot, there you have no forground, that foreground is mutch deeper so you can't see it - at least for use with DoF.

Everything you see is much and far behind the plane and so it is unsharp and that is what DoF does in real life.

In that case your real life pics shows a total other situation what can not be set to that A310 shot, so sorry in that case you are wrong 😊

And all of this can be influenced even more with which lens and with which aperture setting the picture was taken.

 Hope you understand what i tried to explain..

cheers 😉

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For more explanation: That's what I do in my first hobby, called wildlife photography.

This is a shot i did some time ago in the past weeks:

Orginal shot by me, it is a green-woodpecker and shows more or less the optimal use of DoF. DoF is the true essence of good photography as commonly used today.

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The example below shows the depth of field level as desired, it should "emphasize" the main subject and blur the rest, which is what you want it to be.

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And as you can see, the DoF is only a few centimeters, which can be controlled with the lenses (mostly large telelenses) and the aperture you use.

And so mostly the front part of the Picture gets blurred which is so desired in order to "set the green woodpecker free" as already mentioned..

And since the MSFS A310 has no foreground, the picture is actually displayed correctly in DoF.

 

cheers 😉

 

 

 

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On 6/18/2023 at 8:19 AM, pmplayer said:

Sorry Sir but you totally wrong and belive me my first Hobby is wildlife Photographie and i am doeing this now 25 years so i know what DoF is you can be shure...

Sir, maybe I didn't explain myself well, or maybe you didn't understand what I wrote correctly.
I didn't say you don't know about Dof and Blur effects.
If you have a passion for nature photography, and you are also an expert in photoshop, you know the Dof and Blur effects perfectly. 👍

The concept I was talking about is another one.
I repeat the concept.
The Dof effect always generates a blur effect behind and/or around the subject in the foreground.
The union of these two effects (Dof and Blur) can - in some specific cases - create unexpected artistic results in certain subjects, or shots, or situations.
The most famous of the unexpected results is the "toy miniature effect".

Now let's see if there is a miniature effect in these photos. 
Let's observe together...

- Below we have a girl in the foreground surrounded by Dof and Blur effect. 🔽
Question: Does the girl look like a toy?
Answer: No, she remained as realistic. 👍

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- Below we have a bird in the foreground surrounded by Dof and Blur effect. 🔽
Question: Does the bird look like a toy?
Answer: No, it remained as realistic. 👍

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- Below we have a train in the foreground surrounded by Dof and Blur effect. 🔽
Question: Does the train look like a toy?
Answer: Yes... wow!... now it looks like a toy. 😧

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How was it possible to transform a large train into a toy? 🤔
Simple, a special photoshop effect called "Tilt-Shift" was used.
This curious (and beautiful) effect belongs to the family of Dof-Blur effects, and its use is precisely to transform any image into a toy miniature.
Even a big airliner can become a toy with the use of this filter.

https://theaviationist.com/2010/08/26/tilt-shift-examples/
http://www.photoshoptutorials.eu/tilt-shift/

When you applied the Dof-Blur effect on your Airbus A310, you unknowingly turned a large airliner into a miniature toy.
That is, the result you have obtained is very very similar to Tilt-Shift effect.

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Ok friend? 🙂
It was not a negative criticism that I had previously written.
It was just an simple observation.
We usually try to get the maximum realism out of our simulators.
We usually want to make our airplanes look as real as possible!

If we apply Dof and Blur effects on our simulators we don't always get better visual realism.
These graphic effects are certainly beautiful artistically...I agree with you 👍... but they risk transforming the realistic graphics of our sims into "miniature toy graphics".

🙋‍♂️

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All good, i think i understand your point of view now much better and hope i still can do such shots if I feel like making some..

cheers 😉

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