ATC insist on raising my altitude above flightplan

[Alvega 2,125]

2 hours ago, Phantoms said:

Wouldn't FL100 be 100,000 ft?

No, FL100 is 10.000ft.

[Phantoms 800]

21 hours ago, Alvega said:

No, FL100 is 10.000ft.

Shows that I rarely go very high (at least to FL status). In most places I fly it would be called 10,000 ft., not FL100. In the US, FL starts after the transitional altitude (18,000 ft.) and below that (QNH) you would only hear altitude in feet.

Edited September 14, 2023 by Phantoms

[Bob Scott 7,732]

1 hour ago, Phantoms said:

Shows that I rarely go very high (at least to FL status). In most places I fly it would be called 10,000 ft., not FL100. In the US, FL starts after the transitional altitude (18,000 ft.) and below that (QNH) you would only hear altitude in feet.

Yup...but in many other places, the transition altitude is considerably lower--in Germany, for example, it's 5000 ft, so FL100 is a real thing.  It took some re-working of my procedural flow when I transitioned from flying in the US and the western Pacific to Europe where lots of countries have much lower transition altitudes.

[Ray Proudfoot 9,024]

8 hours ago, Bob Scott said:

but in many other places, the transition altitude is considerably lower--in Germany, for example, it's 5000 ft, so FL100 is a real thing

3,000ft in The Netherlands, 5,000 or 6,000 in the UK. Keeps you on your toes.

Mind you if Radar Contact was compatible with MSFS the instruction would refer to an altitude or a flight level. I know you know the difference Bob but there are plenty who don't.

It was the most reported thing back when it was introduced. Complaints about RC telling people they were at the wrong altitude / FL. 😁

[Phantoms 800]

19 hours ago, Bob Scott said:

Yup...but in many other places, the transition altitude is considerably lower--in Germany, for example, it's 5000 ft, so FL100 is a real thing.  It took some re-working of my procedural flow when I transitioned from flying in the US and the western Pacific to Europe where lots of countries have much lower transition altitudes.

Does MSFS ATC mimic the differences? What I mean is will you hear those lower Flight Levels as FL in MSFS in those locations, or will MSFS still call them in feet?

[mspencer 434]

This does make sense that it's trying to climb you. FANUP is an RNAV procedure waypoint for the OLAHS arrival into KFLL, at or above FL190. I guess that's hardcoded based on the Navigraph data (which is smart and makes sense because FANUP is only used on that procedure).

Best bet would be a route like ZQA BR55V DEKAL direct KOPF. 

[IanHarrison 522]

19 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

It was the most reported thing back when it was introduced. Complaints about RC telling people they were at the wrong altitude / FL. 😁

I remember that well when I first started with RC. Took me a while to remember whether they had said Flight level or feet. 

[Ray Proudfoot 9,024]

9 hours ago, Phantoms said:

Does MSFS ATC mimic the differences? What I mean is will you hear those lower Flight Levels as FL in MSFS in those locations, or will MSFS still call them in feet?

I don’t have MSFS but based on other topics on the default ATC I imagine the whole world has a default 18,000ft Transition Altitude. That was always the case with FSX and everything that preceded it.

To get accurate TAs you would need to buy a third party ATC program.

[Ray Proudfoot 9,024]

1 hour ago, IanHarrison said:

I remember that well when I first started with RC. Took me a while to remember whether they had said Flight level or feet. 

Me too in the days after I bought RC3 around 24 years ago. 😁

[Alvega 2,125]

5 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I don’t have MSFS but based on other topics on the default ATC I imagine the whole world has a default 18,000ft Transition Altitude. That was always the case with FSX and everything that preceded it.

To get accurate TAs you would need to buy a third party ATC program.

This is correct. There's a thread about this in the official forum since 2020 with just 78 votes... I hope they fix it for MSFS 2024.

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/different-transition-altitudes-levels-in-different-world-regions/329297

[Ray Proudfoot 9,024]

23 minutes ago, Alvega said:

I hope they fix it for MSFS 2024.

More chance of it snowing in the Brazilian rain forest I think. It’s never been taken seriously by Microsoft or even LM so don’t expect any change.

What they could do but won’t is to create a lookup table with Country codes and the general TA. Users could modify it if they wanted to. So without massive changes in code you could be assigned correct altitudes / FLs for the country you’re flying in.

[Ianrivaldosmith 5,317]

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

More chance of it snowing in the Brazilian rain forest I think. It’s never been taken seriously by Microsoft or even LM so don’t expect any change.

Now now, you’ll set them all of with ‘negative’ statements like that 😂

[Ray Proudfoot 9,024]

33 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Now now, you’ll set them all of with ‘negative’ statements like that 😂

🤣🤣