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Who on earth has started locking topics on this subject. More importantly - WHY?A very interesting thread was posted yesterday showing performance related graphs from another review site.Went back today and it's locked. No reason given!If you're going to lock threads Avsim, then have the common decency to explain why you're doing so.This smacks of censorship.BC

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Yeah i noticed that too...Ohh well, it's their board.

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"Who on earth has started locking topics on this subject. More importantly - WHY?A very interesting thread was posted yesterday showing performance related graphs from another review site.Went back today and it's locked. No reason given!If you're going to lock threads Avsim, then have the common decency to explain why you're doing so.This smacks of censorship."Were you ever a forum moderator? I was. Lighten up!Your post is mild compared to some of the baloney I heard from members here. The straw that broke the camel's back was the person who threatened me personally. Probably some dweeb who would fall over if I slapped him--but he had his moment of joy. And I had had enough.Moderators owe you zero explanation when it comes to keeping this forum clean but most offer one WHEN THEY CAN. Why can't they all the time? It's 2:30AM, and a series of posts start hitting a thread that take it south. The only action the mod can do is delete the posts and lock the thread. And get back to bed, not worry about writing a nice and clean explanation to satisfy those who believe in the conspiracy of censorship.This is a private forum. The people that run it have a right to keep it clean. And a key player has been missing, so the mods are just trying to stay caught up. Please give them the benefit of the doubt. It's the least they deserve for offering up this space for us to discuss our hobby, even if sometimes our words and actions don't allow us to deserve such a privilege.-John

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A very good reason may be breach of copyright. Unless you have permission you don't post anything here copied from another site. Providing a link to another site is OK: pirating its contents isn't. Had I been AVSIM, I'd have removed the whole post. As JohnCi says this is a private forum which costs users nothing and which is run by amateurs (in the original and best sense). They don't have to explain how they run the forum and can chose what's published on it. The latter is not censorship.

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John,In answer to your question, yes I have been and am a forum moderator.I have never, repeat never, closed a topic, or deleted a topic, without having the good grace to give the reasons for the action.Now I don't recall ever suggesting that moderators owe me or any member anything, however when we've seen the recent poor posts with insults etc., it is disappointing that good manners now seem to have gone out the window also.Doesn't matter what time in the AM it is John, it takes 2 seconds to post;"Forum locked to prevent further abuse" or"Forum locked due to copyright issues"As it stands, we have a grey "moderator" locking topics without explanation, which will only fuel the conspiracy theorist's feeling that FSX performance comparisons are "verboten"BC

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BC,I should have elaborated--I was moderator on these forums. And yes, it does matter what time it is--we're human, and sometimes it is better to lock a thread without comment than say what's on our mind. I envy you for having the lucidity at any hour of the day to always offer your members a one liner explanation of your actions. I suppose the perfect moderator can supply a response all the time, but if that's what members seek and if that's what you are, I suggest we start paying those that keep these forums running. For every one hundred critical posts we're lucky to see one post taking the time to thank them for what they do. As a mod you should understand that?-John

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>Who on earth has started locking topics on this subject. >More importantly - WHY?>>A very interesting thread was posted yesterday showing>performance related graphs from another review site.>>Went back today and it's locked. No reason given!>>If you're going to lock threads Avsim, then have the common>decency to explain why you're doing so.>>This smacks of censorship.>>BCLocked? Or moved to the appropriate forum? As indeed should this thread, as it is NOT FSX relevant.Common sense. It's not as common as it used to be, it seems.Allcott

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> For every one hundred critical posts we're lucky to see one post > taking the time to >thank them for what they do. As a mod you > should understand that?>> -JohnDarn fine point. Seems a fine time to take the opportunity to thank the mods here for their service. I've been a mod myself elsewhere for a while now and no doubt there are plenty more around here....no doubt one thing all will likely agree on is that some boards are more "self policing" than others, based on the outlook and general demographics of their membership. Also have been reading/lurking here for a number of years and have to say - Y'all AVSIM mods are doing a fine job given some of what you have to work with, lately.Cheers and keep the faith.

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Yep this of topic threads that are just FSX bashing should be moved. Glad to see it maybe now we can get back on track with FSX and get real issues worked out.

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I read your response earlier today, before moving this topic to the Hangar Chat forum, and thought to myself, naw, I won't respond. But, hours later, I can't restrain myself. Did you read the AVSIM Terms of Use BEFORE you agreed to them? If not, I strongly suggest you do:http://forums.avsim.net/toc.html"As it stands, we have a grey "moderator" locking topics without explanation, which will only fuel the conspiracy theorist's feeling that FSX performance comparisons are "verboten"EDIT: Guilty as charged; I am definitely grey (hair, that is).The AVSIM staff owes you nothing; an explanation, justification, apology.... Nada, zip, zero. I am happy to see that you are a moderator somewhere else and have the time to explain yourself, justify your actions, apologize for your actions, whatever. I don't have the time. Were I to explain every post that I locked, let alone those locked or deleted by another mod, I would be here 24 x 7. Sorry, this is my hobby, not my profession. EDIT: Furthermore, if members can't be bothered to follow the rules, obey common sensical "codes" of behavior, etc., then I can't be bothered to take the time to justify our actions.If you don't like the rules, or the "censorship", well, you know what they say about doors.

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Seconded, thanks Avsim. We have a very open forum and I'm positive the vast majority KNOWS for sure there is absolutely no ill intent behind any actions. Cheers and kind regards Jaap

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Thanks for the compliments and postive feedback folks. We appreciate that, and most importantly, the benefit of the doubt that you have given us.

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Nice attitude to have Tom. Customer relations really are your thing (that's a joke by the way)I'm sorry that you and some others took the view that I am bashing Avsim and/or FSX.Untrue fellas. I just wondered why that particular thread had been locked as I thought it interesting (if one ignored the FSX v FS9 posts)"which will only fuel the conspiracy theorist's feeling that FSX performance comparisons are "verboten""EDIT: Guilty as charged; I am definitely grey (hair, that is)."Your site, so if you don't care if folks think that way, your call.Right call? Time will tellBC

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:-lol Forcing things out of context; ""EDIT: Guilty as charged; I am definitely grey (hair, that is)."Your site, so if you don't care if folks think that way, your call."Conspiracy theories about AVSIM have existed since day one of our existance. Whether I care about what folks think is irrelevant. They are going to think what they will. Need I say more?

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It is my experience that AVSIM has been managed in the most efficient way. In fact, if indeed there was anything to the conspiracy theories then I would assume that instead of seeing your thread get locked, you would see it deleted and you would be banned. That... is how a bad board is run... here at AVSIM, everything is perfectly laid out and seems about as fair as it can be made in order to still maintain some common order throughout.... without it, this board would be full of 12 year old kids fighting about who's machine gets the best frame rate, along with all the swearing and name calling.Hats of to AVSIM staff... keep up the great work, this is why the masses enjoy this arena to the fullest!

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>As JohnCi says this is a private forum which costs users>nothing and which is run by amateurs (in the original and best>sense). They don't have to explain how they run the forum and>can chose what's published on it. The latter is not>censorship.Be that what it may, if anyone is in the position of being able to choose what is and more importantly what is not posted, that is censorship, in all definitions of the term...Sorry, but this is not something for discussion, this is fact...When running a private forum, of course you do not have to explain any actions to anyone. Hey, it's your forum, your call...But, if you give individuals the opportunity to register and post in that forum, common courtesy must prevail. Just simply locking, moving, deleting posts will always attract negative responses, like flies to a cow's backside... Fora are venues of active discussion. Simply blocking out the voices you don't want to hear can be considered childish...Isn't that what rules are for? "Post removed for breaching forum regulations"...Sorry, but my two cents...Andrew

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Tom has already dealt with most of your points so I'll only deal with what you call censorship.Any publisher has the right to decide what he will publish - whether he publishes a newspaper, books, or even an internet forum. It's the publisher's right to reject contributions and is not censorship.Is it censorship if your local newspaper doesn't publish your letter? If it is, then it would have to publish every letter regardless of its worth. In reality, censorship is when you are prevented from expressing your views completely and are subject to sanctions if you try. Censorship is imposed by authority, usually the state but churches have also been involved. I'm sure you can other find places that will publish your views. If not, you can always set up your own site without expecting the secret police to come knocking at your door at midnight.There's enough real censorship in the world without applying it lightly to, what is after all, a trivial matter.

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I'm glad they are locking them. It's gotten to the point where folks are beating the proverbial dead horse. Someone makes a post regarding FSX performance and whether they have good or bad performance it ends up turning into an FSX bashing. As far as the censorship issue; well as far as I know Tom A is the primary owner of this site which is provided to us for free so as I see it he can do whatever he likes with it. Craig

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>I'm sorry that you and some others took the view that I am>bashing Avsim and/or FSX.>LOL. You are sorry for the view that we have?? RhettAMD 3700+ (@2530 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2 GB Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8, WD 250 gig 7200 rpm SATA2, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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>Be that what it may, if anyone is in the position of being>able to choose what is and more importantly what is not>posted, that is censorship, in all definitions of the term...>>Sorry, but this is not something for discussion, this is>fact...>>When running a private forum, of course you do not have to>explain any actions to anyone. Hey, it's your forum, your>call...>>But, if you give individuals the opportunity to register and>post in that forum, common courtesy must prevail. Just simply>locking, moving, deleting posts will always attract negative>responses, like flies to a cow's backside... >>Fora are venues of active discussion. Simply blocking out the>voices you don't want to hear can be considered childish...>>Isn't that what rules are for? "Post removed for breaching>forum regulations"...>>Sorry, but my two cents...>>AndrewOkay, humor me here. I'm going to play the devil's advocate. Let's say I'm a performance artist and to portray man's inhumanity towards man, one of my pieces involves me committing an act of murder on a subject who actually consented to being killed, all in the name of art. Now shouldn't I be covered by my First Amendment Rights ("The right of free speech in the US Constitution, which historically protects media messages from regulation and censorship.") to freely perform my "artistic piece" without fear of being arrested by the authorities and criminally prosecuted? After all, I am just expressing myself as an "artist", and to arrest and convict me would be a form of censorship. I had only artistic motives when I performed this heinous act. Actually, what you may deem a heinous act, I call "my art". Isn't it fact that I am being censored by the authorities if they stop me from killing in the name of art? To block my voice as an artist just because some people may be offended by my artistic endeavour would just be childish, right? Just don't attend my performance if you have such an aversion towards my art. You're an adult, just choose not to watch if you're so offended, but don't censor me.Tell me, Andrew, when should rules, law, morality, and common sense supercede one's freedom to express oneself? And please don't say freedom of speech should've ended before I had a chance to post something so rediculous as this :) .-ElyBTW, for those of you who don't think murder can be art, the most common subject matter of art found in Christian homes is *******' crucifiction.

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I think there are a h*ll of a lot of you needing to climb down off your high horses and chill out.I asked why that topic had been locked, as it contained a link to a performance comparison test carried out by a software review site.What followed apart from some of the usual childish drivel was an interesting discussion on the topic. There was no personal abuse, that I could see, and I found it strange to return to the topic the next day and find it locked.I only asked why, but from what has been posted here, many of you want all FSX adverse comments banned/deleted/removed and the poster hung, drawn and quartered.Democracy in action, don't you just love it.BC

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>I think there are a h*ll of a lot of you needing to climb>down off your high horses and chill out.>>>BCStop trying to censor us!-Ely

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>>I think there are a h*ll of a lot of you needing to climb>>down off your high horses and chill out.>>>>>>BC>>>Stop trying to censor us!>>>-Ely>Oh dearie meBC

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Ely, What part don't you understand about this being a PRIVATLEY OWNED and FINANCED Website? Tom Allensworth owns it wholly or in part and since it's inception it has become what I think is the Premier flightsim website. By locking a thread it does three things: 1) It preserves bandwidth which is not free contrary to what you might think. 2) When a thread goes on ad infinitum with either FSX bashing or FSX praising there comes a time to stop it. 3) It stops folks like you from posting what you condemn... worthless drivel. I have never seen anywhere on this site any indication where Democratic principles are the main purpose for its being. We're lucky to have it for FREE. Craig

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That's just a d*mn shame. Now you've gone and insulted poor Ely, when obviously it was me you were aiming at.Tutt Tutt, do try and get things right it does help us all to get along so much better.BC

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