Sign in to follow this  
ABE

707 cockpit crew: 3 or 4?

Recommended Posts

Quick question:Was Boeing 707 (I assume early models) ever operated with a cockpit crew of 4?Michael J.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Help AVSIM continue to serve you!
Please donate today!

G'day Michael,The B707's did have a crew of 4. I'm speaking of long haul international flights. (early models carried a navigator - the sextant was their primary navigation instrument)NavigatorFlight EngineerFirst OfficerCaptain.Once the Navigator was given the flick; replaced by technology - loran, doppler, INS, the working crew was effectively reduced to 3.Flight Engineersecond officer/observer/vacant - I flew in this seat myself on a few test flights.First OfficerCaptain Roger

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

>Once the Navigator was given the flick; Thanks Roger. Do you know when approximately it happened ??Michael J.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A quick check of accident reports shows several B707 crashes up into the mid-70's with cockpit crews of four - Captain, First Officer, Second Officer and Flight Engineer. In some there is a Third Officer and either no FE or no Second Officer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

>Thanks Roger. Do you know when approximately it happened ??Now you're testing the old brain cells. I think it would have been in the early 1960's. I'm sorry I can't be much more definitive. I'll have a scour through what info I have and see if I can come up with a more precise answer. Of course I'm referring to only one airline, but I'm reasonably sure that Qantas would have been one of the last to use a navigator as they flew across the Pacific which is one heck of a stretch of water.Roger

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

For Pan Am at least - as late as 1974 - the fourth officer was a Navigator / relief pilot.All four cockpit crew had pilot certificates, ATP ratings, Navigation certificates and type ratings as B707 Second Officers. Even the Flight Engineers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I started flying as a purser(flight attentdant) for TWA in 1970. To my recollection, there was a 4th crewmember (a relief pilot) on international flights only.Abe

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this