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Ultimate Defrag Yes or No?

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I just downloaded the Ultimate Defrag trial version but haven't installed it yet.I searched but couldn't find very much current information regarding the effectiveness of this de-fragmentation program.Does anyone have any experiences with it, positive or negative?I received an e-Mail from PC Aviator regarding a special sale they're running on it.I'm currently using Perfect Disk 2008. Would Ultimate Defrag be substantially better?Thanks.flykingVirtual AviatorSystem Specs:Used to be Vista (XP Now)AMD Athlon 64 2413MHzNVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT, 256MBMemory: 3071MBSB X-FI Xtreme Gamer

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I don't like it...I bought it and it never performed right..Tech support was *ABSENT* and offered no suggestions or help...Here is what my drive looked like after it had run and consolidated......And it trashed the drive,,I never could recover it to its normal state without a complete reinstall....Notice it says its complete..Then look at all the red...Thats FSX and FS9.........

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It's kinda tough to "see" a .txt file... :)

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You can't see that......I'll tell you what it says...Defrag is complete for C...Can you see the red...Its still fragmented like crazySo you need glasses and are color blind to...LOLWere you trying to be funny or just cute?

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Well I've got Perfect Disk 2008 also and out of curiosity downloaded the trial version of Ultimate Defrag.After you download the trial, they will send you an email for about each of the next seven days, and each email will contain a tutorial on how to use a different aspect of Ultimate Defrag. (Essentially, the seven tutorials consist of the Ultimate Defrag manual broken down into seven segments). So if you love reading and you love fiddling with different settings, heck, give it a try.I guess since I am of the Ron Popeil (Set it and Forget it) school, I finally decided to stick with Perfect Disk 2008. But then I'm an old geezer.-Rick

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Hi harleyman52,I really appreciate your response but I was unable to open your attachment successfully. Is there a certain program I need to open it correctly?Thanks for your help.flykingVirtual AviatorSystem Specs:Used to be Vista (XP Now)AMD Athlon 64 2413MHzNVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT, 256MBMemory: 3071MBSB X-FI Xtreme Gamer

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Neither, he's not joking. I run linux on my alternate computer, so I got an error message saying that I was trying to read machine language.

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LOL I have no clue...I just click it and it opens.....Your guess is as good as mine......But UD shows my C drive completed ,but its solid red.......I had to reformat it....LOLCrap...It is in text file format...sorry..I'll try to fix..My appologies...

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I use Ultimate Defrag religiously. If you know how to use it properly you can get significant loading and performance improvements. However, a straight defrag will not be much use - you really need to understand how to implement the high performance options and use different settings for different partitions if you want the best out of it. It also needs to 'learn' about your data use over time so successive high performance defrags provide better and better performance.I would recommend giving it a shot but make sure to use it properly ....Triangle :-)

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Seems to work pretty well. Haven't lost a drive yet! The magenta blocks are my FSX folder. The program has a setting where you can select any directory to be placed on the outer edge. I have my FSX folder selected and it's all (pretty much) there. It's also sorted by "Name." For the workout it gets, that FS directory "stays put" pretty well. Maybe once a week or so, I use Perfect Disk to consolidate then Ultimate (here) to get the FS directory positioned and sorted by Name. This is why a second HD is really unnecessary for a FS install. Just run this once a week (or set it as your default defragger) and you're good to go. http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/190560.jpg

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Well..Mine never looked like that...... but still have a lot of Red files,at the inside of your platter.....What are they?I wanted mine to do that,but it never did...Could have been Errr Human error perhaps......But what the hay..My two Raptors make up for any slack I think....Thanks for the shot...Now I'm wondering...

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>LOL I have no clue...I just click it and it opens.....>>>Your guess is as good as mine......>>>But UD shows my C drive completed ,but its solid red.......>>I had to reformat it....LOL>>>>Crap...It is in text file format...sorry..I'll try to fix..My>appologies...One you are using an old version of the program, the new version (Ultimate DeFrag008) is much more efficient and faster. This is my Windows XP disk after one I did today. I have FSX defined first as my High Priority, which puts it to the outer area of the disk.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/190591.jpg

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The red are files that are still fragged. Mostly they are files with names like 9849c39er209502909tpz2971 . . . . Don't really know. I run a junk file cleaner, but I see that kind of file around sometimes. Also, my gigantic .iso file are are red. The "Planet Earth" series is 30GBs and one those red segments. Got a couple of others too. Seems UD just left 'em alone. Remember those raptors only help for the 1st game or initial flight load after a fresh reboot. After that, any drive will reload in < 10 secs. 7200s and this kind of defragging is the most reasonable setup. A couple of seconds off a 1st program or an initial flight load really doesn't make up for that significantly higher bit/$$ expense. Edit: Tom, try it again. It didn't take. Files designated to the outer edge are call High Performance and colored Magenta. You should have a bit of a magenta ring around the outer edge.

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If you have left the archive option on while defragging, UD will only move the most recently used files to the outer rim of the disk platter and leave the very infrequently used files at the centre. The idea is to maximise the amount of space at the edge of the disk for your most frequently accessed files. There are also some files that UD will not move .... look to the review on this site for a very thorough explanation of how UD works, its limitations etc.Triangle

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Tom, try it again. It didn't take. Files designated to the outer edge are call High Performance and colored Magenta. You should have a bit of a magenta ring around the outer edge.It shows the magenta ring right after the defrag, but if you go back and analyze it will only show the files being contiguous.

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Mine is not the 08 version.......But I like the idea of having the FSX set as priority to the outer platter.......

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>>Were you trying to be funny or just cute?No, he was trying to point out the fact that you (mistakenly) selected .txt as file type, instead of .jpg when you uploaded your attached image.RhettFS box: E8500 (@ 3.80 ghz), AC Freezer 7 Pro, ASUS P5E3 Premium, BFG 8800GTX 756 (nVidia 169 WHQL), 4gb DDR3 1600 Patriot Cas7 7-7-7-20 (2T), PC Power 750, WD 150gb 10000rpm Raptor, Seagate 500gb, Silverstone TJ09 case, Vista Ultimate 64ASX Client: AMD 3700+ (@ 2.6 ghz), 7800GT

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I use UltimateDefrag 2008 and before that I used the old version. I have never had any problems with it, and once you set it up, it is "run it and forget it".What I mean by that is, once you have it move FSX to the outer edge of the disk, then after that you just do regular defrags. FSX stays put and it's nice and fast.RhettFS box: E8500 (@ 3.80 ghz), AC Freezer 7 Pro, ASUS P5E3 Premium, BFG 8800GTX 756 (nVidia 169 WHQL), 4gb DDR3 1600 Patriot Cas7 7-7-7-20 (2T), PC Power 750, WD 150gb 10000rpm Raptor, Seagate 500gb, Silverstone TJ09 case, Vista Ultimate 64ASX Client: AMD 3700+ (@ 2.6 ghz), 7800GT

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>Were you trying to be funny or just cute?Neither. You flagged your upload as a .TXT file!Attachment #1, (txt file)When uploading a file, you must select what type of file it is... :-lol

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I've use both O&O and Ultimate Defrag and personally I prefer Ultimate Defrag. It give me much more options on how I want my hard drive drfragged. Just make sure you review all the options it offers. The latest version is especially effective.

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>LOL I have no clue...I just click it and it opens.....>I'd bet those who can't open that file are using Firefox as a browser. IE7 shows it just fine. However, it should be shown as a jpg to ensure all browsers can view it.Phill

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If you are running Vista you need to read the manual. When you use UD Vista places a lot of system files on your hard drive. These show up as fragmented files and cannot be "fixed."As for UD - GET IT. This program will unfragment huge drives in a very short time - compared to other programs.fb

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I have used O&O Defrag and UltimateDefrag, but with the latter I cocked-up my HD to such an extend that a rebuild was all I could do... and I used a recommendation based on a review in Avsim's review section. OK, maybe I did something wrong and'll have to revert to the manual again, but after 4 rebuilds in so many days I'll stay put for a while with O&O. My verdict, UD give you a lot more options and I like the idea of putting the FSX folder on the outside for performance, but what scares me is moving the MFT out of the way - closer to the inner circles - that's now if you does not have a massive HD (mine only 40GB). Maybe one of above can write a decent note on applying UD for FSX, or perhaps if one of UD's employees read this, create notes for all high performance games. It'll give them an edge over the competitors.Other options is Diskeeper and PerfectDisk - none of which I tested. All I know you can use PD to move the MFT to the inner circles to make space for FSXDL + FSXA + ASX + AGX +... +... +...Pierre

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Hi Rick,Well then, I must be an old geezer as well :)I've been using Perfect Disk for years (currently the 2008 version) and it has never let me down. Some other Defraggers appear to do a better job when using software like FSX and FS9 with enormous texture file databases. However, both sims seem to work fine for me and I don't see a lot of hard drive activity following the initial loading sequences.Perfect Disk may not organize data on your drive in sequential named order but at least it can carry out its operations faithfully and without fuss and risk of corruption - happened to me when I tried O&O - apparently caused by my early version of XP SP2. I'm still wondering why this same issue has never surfaced with Perfect Disk.Sometimes it's better the devil you know ;)Mike

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