August 26, 2025Aug 26 These are my questions: 1. I understand that you need to have the following values: distance in NM, time in hours, and speed in knots. The aircraft performance tables show speed in the following format: “TAS MPH.” Do I need to convert this to knots, or can I work with this value as well? 2. When the planned altitude is not reflected in the performance tables, for example, the flight plan is to be carried out at an altitude of 13,500 ft and the tables are 12,500 ft and then go to 15,000 ft, what do you do in that case? Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
August 26, 2025Aug 26 You need distance and *ground* speed expressed in the same units to compute time, and then time and fuel flow to compute fuel burn. Given distances in NM, you need groundspeed in knots (nautical miles per hour) to compute flight time, so yes, you have to convert TAS from MPH to knots and correct for wind. When using tabulated data rather than performance curves, at intermediate altitudes interpolation is required. You won't get precisely accurate values because the variation as a function of altitude is generally not linear, but it'll be in the ball park. e.g. if the fuel flow is 20 GPH at 12,500 ft and 18 GPH at 15000 ft, the difference is 2 GPH, and at 13,500 ft you're 40% of the way from 12,500 to 15,000, so subtract 40% of 2, or 0.8 GPH for an interpolated value of 19.2 GPH. Or, if the tab data values are fairly close together, just use the higher of the two fuel burn values understanding that you'll burn a little less. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
August 26, 2025Aug 26 Author 4 hours ago, Bob Scott said: You need distance and *ground* speed expressed in the same units to compute time, and then time and fuel flow to compute fuel burn. Given distances in NM, you need groundspeed in knots (nautical miles per hour) to compute flight time, so yes, you have to convert TAS from MPH to knots and correct for wind. When using tabulated data rather than performance curves, at intermediate altitudes interpolation is required. You won't get precisely accurate values because the variation as a function of altitude is generally not linear, but it'll be in the ball park. e.g. if the fuel flow is 20 GPH at 12,500 ft and 18 GPH at 15000 ft, the difference is 2 GPH, and at 13,500 ft you're 40% of the way from 12,500 to 15,000, so subtract 40% of 2, or 0.8 GPH for an interpolated value of 19.2 GPH. Or, if the tab data values are fairly close together, just use the higher of the two fuel burn values understanding that you'll burn a little less. Thank you for responding. 1. How did you calculate that 40% is 13,500? 2. Should I also interpolate the speed? 3. The weights too, since all the letters are for a weight of 4,630 pounds.
August 27, 2025Aug 27 13 hours ago, wilivarob said: Thank you for responding. 1. How did you calculate that 40% is 13,500? 2. Should I also interpolate the speed? 3. The weights too, since all the letters are for a weight of 4,630 pounds. 1) you need to account for the differential in altitude (+1.000ft) from lower index (12.500) versus the "gap" in the table, which is 2.500ft (12.500ft up to 15.000) Hence 1000 / 2.500 = 0,4 or 40%. Referencing Bob's example, since 40% of 2GPH is 0.8GPH, you will have a theoretical burn of 20GPH at 12.5000ft 19.2GPH at 13.500ft 18GPH at 15.000 That's the math behind it. 2 + 3) You can interpolate between published values. Just keep in mind the values might not always be fully linear in relationship. So I'd rather err on the safe side, meaning planning with a higher weight than intended. 4.600lbs sounds like a smaller twin engine GA(?) So not that big of a deal. It's not an airliner with a wide weight envelope. Selected power setting (75%, 65%, 55% etc) + altitude is the most important factor when it comes to endurance in these smaller planes. Finally, any sorts of extrapolation is not tolerated (ref: EASA 033 "Flight planning and fuel monitoring", but probably also valid for other regions), you can only use certified, published data. EASA PPL SEPL + NQ / CB-IR in progress MSFS24 | X-Plane 12
August 27, 2025Aug 27 Author 13 hours ago, SAS443 said: 1) you need to account for the differential in altitude (+1.000ft) from lower index (12.500) versus the "gap" in the table, which is 2.500ft (12.500ft up to 15.000) Hence 1000 / 2.500 = 0,4 or 40%. Referencing Bob's example, since 40% of 2GPH is 0.8GPH, you will have a theoretical burn of 20GPH at 12.5000ft 19.2GPH at 13.500ft 18GPH at 15.000 That's the math behind it. 2 + 3) You can interpolate between published values. Just keep in mind the values might not always be fully linear in relationship. So I'd rather err on the safe side, meaning planning with a higher weight than intended. 4.600lbs sounds like a smaller twin engine GA(?) So not that big of a deal. It's not an airliner with a wide weight envelope. Selected power setting (75%, 65%, 55% etc) + altitude is the most important factor when it comes to endurance in these smaller planes. Finally, any sorts of extrapolation is not tolerated (ref: EASA 033 "Flight planning and fuel monitoring", but probably also valid for other regions), you can only use certified, published data. Thank you for responding, Captain. I already know how to interpolate, but considering that it is prohibited, how should I proceed? 1. Should I always make flight plans at the altitudes indicated on the performance charts? 2. Or should I take the closest one below or above? For example, if the flight plan is set at 13,500 ft, should I take 12,500 ft (below) or 15,000 ft (above)?
August 28, 2025Aug 28 There is more to this, unfortunately. If you want to follow proper procedures, you need to have some contingency fuel. The precise minimum amount depends onthe country where you are flying, but 45 minutes flight time would be a good estimate, plus enough fuel to get to the alternate airport. In addition, wind corrections can also be substantial. Considering this, the difference between fuel usage at 12500' and 15000' is not that critical. I would calculate both and then use whatever is the larger amount of fuel, then you are on the safe side. Now that approach works fine _unless_ your total weight gets close to maximum takeoff weight (MTOW). Only in that case you need to be more precise, or reduce your cargo weight accordingly.
August 28, 2025Aug 28 11 hours ago, wilivarob said: I already know how to interpolate, but considering that it is prohibited, how should I proceed? Extrapolation is prohibited. Interpolation is fine, if you account for hazards already mentioned (not always Linear relationship) What aircraft are you making these calculations for? and are you sure you have the complete performance pages? I say this because fuel calcs are rather straightforward if you have all the information (speaking strictly from GA background) 9 hours ago, qqwertz said: There is more to this, unfortunately. Very true, but, my opinion is that it is not that complicated for smaller GA at least (both VFR/IFR) that aren't under part CAT (commercial) nor "performance class A". Sorry, I do not know the equivalent FAA terms, this is pure EASA-land. Basic fuel scheme: Taxi fuel: "if significant". Trip fuel: takeoff/climb/cruise/descent/approach. Those are all in the AFM but need to adjust for ground speed (basically solve how many nautical ground miles for an air mile etc) Contingency: Small foot print. Either a small percentage of trip fuel or 5min holding 1.500ft AGL. Interestingly, for airliners/class A, RNAV STARs may impact contingency fuel depending on if you anticipate the full arrival procedure (such as trombone shaped RNAV transitions). If shorter transitions, it goes into trip fuel. Alternate fuel: straight forward, but adjust for time to anticipated ground speed. Additional fuel: if you file without alternate this needs at least 15 mins holding at 1.500ft AGL. Final Reserve Fuel: You need to legally protect this, which is 45 mins for non-turbine IFR. Also easy to obtain (just look up fuel burn/hr for economy cruise at 1500ft Above aerodrome and multiply with 0.75). Extra fuel: anticipated delays, weather etc And for sanity checks, Most smaller GA planes will also have an endurance chart for various pwr settings, where a 45 min reserve is included + taxi, run-up and climb. It breaks down to this (example from C172 IFR, conservative numbers) Taxi : 5 litre Trip: 90 litres / 2hrs Contingency 5 litres Alternate: 20 litres / 30mins Additional: 0 Final Reserve: 30 litres/ 45mins Extra: 10 litres / 15mins Fuel required: 160 litres / 116 kg (Max uplift 212 litres, 200 litres is usable) But if you move to complex ,turbine driven planes, it gets much more complicated (most of that is beyond my knowledge as a private pilot 😜) Edited August 28, 2025Aug 28 by SAS443 EASA PPL SEPL + NQ / CB-IR in progress MSFS24 | X-Plane 12
August 28, 2025Aug 28 Author 13 hours ago, qqwertz said: There is more to this, unfortunately. If you want to follow proper procedures, you need to have some contingency fuel. The precise minimum amount depends onthe country where you are flying, but 45 minutes flight time would be a good estimate, plus enough fuel to get to the alternate airport. In addition, wind corrections can also be substantial. Considering this, the difference between fuel usage at 12500' and 15000' is not that critical. I would calculate both and then use whatever is the larger amount of fuel, then you are on the safe side. Now that approach works fine _unless_ your total weight gets close to maximum takeoff weight (MTOW). Only in that case you need to be more precise, or reduce your cargo weight accordingly. Thank you for responding, and I will take your suggestion into account, to do the calculations at 12,500 ft, then at 15,000 ft, and take the one with the most fuel. On the other hand, I understand the extra fuel that must be carried, but for now the idea is to carry taxi fuel, flight fuel (climb, cruise, descent, approach, and landing), and reserve. The problem is that whatever calculation I do, even using interpolation, I always end up with a high percentage of reserve, for example, a reserve of 30 pounds and I end up with 50 pounds. Everything is calculated, altitude, weight, weather (for now only clear weather with no wind), but even so, it seems like too much to me. Edited August 28, 2025Aug 28 by wilivarob
August 28, 2025Aug 28 Author 3 hours ago, SAS443 said: What aircraft are you making these calculations for? and are you sure you have the complete performance pages? I say this because fuel calcs are rather straightforward if you have all the information (speaking strictly from GA background) It's the C337 Skymaster fairing, and honestly, the POH that comes with it doesn't have any consumption data for climbs or descents, just performance tables. Some people tell me that since it doesn't have that data, the performance table is already included there. Anyway, I'll share the PDFs that come with the plane with you. POH POH 2 One more thing, inside the plane on the dashboard I found some data which I assume is the climb consumption information. Could I use that data for the climb? Or is the reason for arriving with more fuel than normal because the tables already come with those values and I am adding the ones from the dashboard? 4 hours ago, SAS443 said: Final Reserve Fuel: You need to legally protect this, which is 45 mins for non-turbine IFR. Also easy to obtain (just look up fuel burn/hr for economy cruise at 1500ft Above aerodrome and multiply with 0.75). Here I would have another problem, which is that the aircraft has a minimum performance chart of 2,500 ft, so would I have to take it from here, either interpolated or uninterpolated?
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