I am trying to work out the best way to enter a hold as shown in the following chart. Beginning at SLI to MAAGG, then out along the ILS and into the hold before going back to land. The advise I have from a tutorial is "continue outbound on the localizer for 1 minute past SNAKE, then initiate a left 235 degree turn (180 + 45) then join the localizer inbound again." Is this the best way? Are there other options.Chart here http://www.laartcc.org/charts/KSNA-I19R.pdfthanks,Mark.

Hi Mark,The proper way to enter the holding pattern as part of the approach is when reaching the SNAKE intersection outbound on the localizer,turn left to a heading of 344 degrees (30 degree heading change based on a no wind condition) and fly that heading for one minute. Then make a standard rate turn to the right to intersept the localizer inbound. If you have been cleared for the approach you can start down the glide slope at SNAKE. If not you would remain in the holding pattern untill cleared for the approach.Ed

thanks Ed. I knew I would get the answer here.Mark.

I'd just use the POM VOR then you wouldn't have to do a PT or hold.

don't forget to add 15 degrees towards the wind :) when there is crosswind involved, patterns (holds) don't look like a pretty rectangle.

Mark,The advise you posted was to perform a Sector 1 Parallel join. Ed's advice is a Sector 2 Teardrop join. Both are the correct procedure (assuming still wind) because the boundary between a Teardrop or a Parallel join is a heading of 014 +/-5. Ed's is the better answer because a Teardrop join is (subjectively) easier (i.e. less maneuvering). Note that the decision is based on heading, not track, so following a 014 track to SNAKE with a strong wind can from the right can mean that a Parallel join is the only choice if the heading is > 019.

Considering Tallpilot's considerable credentials I'd go with his advice also! :-)My examiner at my ifr exam many years ago gave me some easy advice.He said -figure out the easiest way to stay in the protected airspace and get established and don't worry about how you do it.Ed-I am headed out your way this summer-planning to land at kgcn and spend a few days among other places. Is that the best airport to land at to see the Grand Canyon?http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpgForum Moderatorhttp://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

thanks all. Unfortunately I cannot us POM this time as the checkride requires starting at SLI.Mark.

holding patterns are not supposed to be rectangles and also they are supposed to cover the same ground no matter what the wind is.

Hi Geof,Kgcn is ok but if you want a real neat experience I suggest going to KCMR (Clark Memorial Field Airport) which is at Williams, AZ. You can take the Grand Canyon Railroad (An old coal burning steam engine) from Williams up to the South Rim of the canyon where there are places to eat and stay. They have entertainment on the train and even a train robbery. :-)The airport is at 6680 msl and the runway is 5992'x 100' (No approaches) If you going to be that close you should drop by Lake Havasu City. (KHII) I'm flying rides in a Stearman (Biplanerides.net). E-mail me at [email protected]

Thanks for the advice-negotiations on at this moment for flight plan change-email sent.http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpgForum Moderatorhttp://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

Hi guys,Thanks for sharing your experience. Surely of great help to me.Michel