5 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Jonathan you are an absolute star!!!

Have had a lot of fun this evening with my throbbing monster.😃

This works really well and is a bit of a revelation actually. I've never had so many options to control the forces before and how nice it is to get back into using old faithful after 6 months of a Honeycomb yoke with it's ludicrous bungee cord.

I've spent the evening with my Kodiak and Spitfire playing around with the options. Tomorrow I'll get down to some serious fine tuning but this is fantastic.🫡

Hey thanks! Yeah, I had the same reaction when this thing finally came to life after so MANY years. All the other things I've tried (and I have purchased and tried every one - xpforce, fsforce, don't even remember the others) just never worked well and I would eventually give up and dump it. 

Now that the early bugs are taken care of, I have ideas for next steps!

BTW, can you do me a favour? Could you kindly try saving a new profile and see if that works? I'm getting conflicting reports from some users. 

45 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Jonathan you are an absolute star!!!

Have had a lot of fun this evening with my throbbing monster.😃

This works really well and is a bit of a revelation actually. I've never had so many options to control the forces before and how nice it is to get back into using old faithful after 6 months of a Honeycomb yoke with it's ludicrous bungee cord.

I've spent the evening with my Kodiak and Spitfire playing around with the options. Tomorrow I'll get down to some serious fine tuning but this is fantastic.🫡

For tuning, have you seen this -> https://ffb-bridge.com/docs/tuning-guide

Edited April 25Apr 25 by JonathanC

10 hours ago, JonathanC said:

BTW, can you do me a favour? Could you kindly try saving a new profile and see if that works? I'm getting conflicting reports from some users. 

Yeah, I'm not sure if it's saving. I've named a test profile with everything turned up high so there's a whole lotta shaking going on😁 but when I load the Cessna 172 profile there's no change in the sliders or forces....

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

Yeah, I'm not sure if it's saving. I've named a test profile with everything turned up high so there's a whole lotta shaking going on😁 but when I load the Cessna 172 profile there's no change in the sliders or forces....

Same here.

17 minutes ago, spilok said:

Same here.

Working on this now. It's a UI-issue. It's not clear what to do.. the code path is clean, but the interface is confusing. Working on a new build with a different flow. i'll email you when it's ready for testing in a bit

 

1 hour ago, JonathanC said:

Working on this now. It's a UI-issue. It's not clear what to do.. the code path is clean, but the interface is confusing. Working on a new build with a different flow. i'll email you when it's ready for testing in a bit

 

I think it's definitely ready.  I saved a profile and flew two  flights today in both a Cirrus Visionjet (from Seattle to KSUN in Idaho) and a GA Cessna (this was a short one), and I really enjoyed my settings saved just the way I like them.

Really an excellent contribution to the Sim Community, Jonathan.  It's the first FF program that I can use and adjust every aspect of my forces.  

I'll bet many simmers are going to try to acquire the Microsoft FF joystick.  Better yet, Microsoft should produce a new FF joystick.  I just can't imagine flying with a dead stick as most simmers do.  Something wrong with that IMHO.

Stan

17 minutes ago, spilok said:

I think it's definitely ready.  I saved a profile and flew two  flights today in both a Cirrus Visionjet (from Seattle to KSUN in Idaho) and a GA Cessna (this was a short one), and I really enjoyed my settings saved just the way I like them.

Really an excellent contribution to the Sim Community, Jonathan.  It's the first FF program that I can use and adjust every aspect of my forces.  

I'll bet many simmers are going to try to acquire the Microsoft FF joystick.  Better yet, Microsoft should produce a new FF joystick.  I just can't imagine flying with a dead stick as most simmers do.  Something wrong with that IMHO.

Stan

Thanks for the kind words. Not done yet though, the interface is improving to make it easier for new users. There are a LOT of options and it can get confusing. 
 

new build later today. 

New build out! Changes to make it a lot easier to tune, change profiles, and so on. You should have an email, or else

https://ffb-bridge.com/

The interface got quite the redesign. Would love some feedback @spilok @DD_Arthur and anyone else that's using this. 

3 hours ago, JonathanC said:

New build out! Changes to make it a lot easier to tune, change profiles, and so on. You should have an email, or else

https://ffb-bridge.com/

The interface got quite the redesign. Would love some feedback @spilok @DD_Arthur and anyone else that's using this. 

It just keeps getting BETTER!  Jonathan, you are indeed a superstar.  Enjoying every minute, and the fact that you keep working with it to make it even better is truly amazing.  The new beta is working for me and the SAVE feature is solid.  I am able to pull up my profile and it's intact and remarkably flexible.

Stan

1 hour ago, spilok said:

It just keeps getting BETTER!  Jonathan, you are indeed a superstar.  Enjoying every minute, and the fact that you keep working with it to make it even better is truly amazing.  The new beta is working for me and the SAVE feature is solid.  I am able to pull up my profile and it's intact and remarkably flexible.

Stan

Great to hear. So the new interface changes do make it more intuitive, right? It was way too complicated before. 
 

once you’ve used it a bit, feel free to email me with ideas and suggestions. 
 

I really want to add other FFB sticks to this. Does anyone here have any thoughts on which one to add next? 

7 hours ago, JonathanC said:

Great to hear. So the new interface changes do make it more intuitive, right? It was way too complicated before. 
 

once you’ve used it a bit, feel free to email me with ideas and suggestions. 
 

I really want to add other FFB sticks to this. Does anyone here have any thoughts on which one to add next? 

Used the new version briefly last night and it's excellent. Can confirm the Save feature is working fine.

As to other FFB sticks? Check this out;

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/list-of-force-feedback-hardware/648622

Microsoft made over a million FFB sticks back in the day. Obviously the mk.1 gateport versions are mostly in landfill but the USB connected mk.2's must be gathering dust somewhere as they're pretty indestructible.

The Logitech G940 system of ffb stick, linked pedals and hotas was a contemporary of MS's offering but nowhere near as sophisticated or robust. I had a set once. The wiring in the hotas would break and the hotas pots would spike. I doubt there's many of them around now.

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

Microsoft made over a million FFB sticks back in the day. Obviously the mk.1 gateport versions are mostly in landfill but the USB connected mk.2's must be gathering dust somewhere as they're pretty indestructible.

I actually have the mk1 one too, along with a custom PIC usb->gameport adapter. Might be fun to try and get this working through that.. that's a project

Really impressed with this program, Jonathan.  I really like the fact that your program allows the Microsoft FF2 joystick to have an excellent spring effect so that the joystick centers beautifully.  In both the version I use for P3d by Russell Dirks, called FS Force, or the version I've been using for MSFS, called XP Force, the joystick is limp and without strong adjustable centering.  Your program is perfect for the MFF2 joystick.  Honestly, I've been using this stick since it was introduced by Microsoft.  I've had 5 of them (Ebay only place to get them now) over the decades of use, and this is the first time I feel real CONTROL with this stick.

Thanks again.

Stan

35 minutes ago, spilok said:

Really impressed with this program, Jonathan.  I really like the fact that your program allows the Microsoft FF2 joystick to have an excellent spring effect so that the joystick centers beautifully.  In both the version I use for P3d by Russell Dirks, called FS Force, or the version I've been using for MSFS, called XP Force, the joystick is limp and without strong adjustable centering.  Your program is perfect for the MFF2 joystick.  Honestly, I've been using this stick since it was introduced by Microsoft.  I've had 5 of them (Ebay only place to get them now) over the decades of use, and this is the first time I feel real CONTROL with this stick.

Thanks again.

Stan

And we’re not done yet. Various improvements dropping soon. 

 FFB-Bridge 1.0.0-beta.6 is out.

Quick update with one new physics effect, a much faster way to get your stick polarity right on first install, and it's much easier now to do tuning as per-slider and per-section reset to defaults has been added.

New: Stick drop

Real GA aircraft have a forward-pulling bias when the elevator is unloaded — gravity + cable rigging pull the surface down, which pulls the yoke forward. You feel a steady forward pull while parked or taxiing, and it fades out once airflow loads the elevator. Now modelled.

Find it at Tuning → StickFeel → Stick drop. Defaults to a Cessna-class feel (Force 0.25, fades by 30 kts) — the stick will rest roughly halfway forward against the default spring. For jet/heavy profiles, drop the Force toward 0 to silence it. (Thanks to IceManDBB for the report that started this.)

New: Live polarity test on Doctor There's a new Hardware compatibility card at the top of the Doctor page. Click Start, drag the puck around an X-Y pad, the stick follows in real time. Click Stop, answer "Did the stick follow the puck?" — Yes (no change) or No (auto-invert). Done in 30 seconds.

Quality of life

Per-slider and per-section reset arrows on the Tuning page. Click the arrow next to any slider to revert just that one. Click the arrow on a section header (Forces, StickFeel, Engine, etc.) to reset the whole group. A new Discard button on the Profile card reverts everything back to the loaded profile. Mouse wheel on sliders only captures when the slider has focus. Hovering and scrolling no longer hijacks the page scroll on the Tuning page.

Edited April 27Apr 27 by JonathanC