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Eh, give it a shot. I have users that are using it, seems to work fine. I haven't tested it personally though, just going by user reports.

Hey, You're using the Moza R5 as a tiller? That's interesting. Technically, sure, it's possible to support it, but multi-device support is a complicated thing to get right. For now, sorry, you'll have to use only one device. At least for a little while..

AFAIK the Velocity One isn't a real force feedback stick, so there's nothing FFB-Bridge can do with it. You need a real force feedback stick (with motors inside, not just haptic vibration). The Moza AB6/AB9 are modern bases, or an old Sidewinder FFBv2 (USB) is pretty cheap on eBay.

Also - check out the Moza AB9/AB6. I have the AB9 now and it is truly excellent. It's also 10x+ the price of the Sidewinder, so there's that.. but it is really good.

Thank you very much @spilok ! You were one of the first users and your feedback was critical to getting FFB-Bridge to where it is today. All my early testers were absolute stars, it was so much fun building this together. Thanks for your kind words and I hope FFB-Bridge continues to add to your sim enjoyment for many years to come.

Also - > https://www.youtube.com/@FFB-Bridge I'm adding videos on how to use the program. Let me know if there's something specific you want to see, I can likely do a quick video demonstrating it.

Hey all, Thanks for the great feedback. And yes, @ryanbatc the profile sharing library was built because I realized that it's simply impossible for me (or really, any one person) to tune all profiles correctly. Thanks for uploading this profile - https://ffb-bridge.com/profiles/13-flysimare-lancair-legacy-leg2 Once we have a lot of profiles uploaded, I can go through and update all the default profiles and push an update. That way the community can help improve the program, and I can periodically include a bunch of quality, vetted profiles as updates to the app so you don't even need to look for and download it. @somiller I'll look into your feedback about elevator friction. Thank you for the details, makes it a lot easier to do something about it!

Some of you may remember my original AVSIM thread about bringing modern force feedback to MSFS: FFB-Bridge is a free desktop app that converts live MSFS 2020/2024 data into physical forces on supported joysticks, yokes, and control bases. Airspeed makes the controls heavier. Trim moves the physical center. Stalls buffet the stick. You can feel turbulence, engines, runway surfaces, touchdowns, gear, flaps, spoilers, braking, and autopilot movement. It runs alongside MSFS through SimConnect—no simulator plugin, aircraft modifications, account, or binding changes required. WHAT’S NEW IN 1.3? MOZA AB6, AB9, and AY210 FFB-Bridge now manages supported MOZA bases directly. It prepares the hardware when a session starts, prevents stored effects from fighting the live force model, and restores the previous settings on exit. Native HID/PID paths reduce latency, and MOZA Cockpit does not need to remain open while flying. MOZA firmware 1.1.4.6 or newer is required. First-class helicopter force feedback Version 1.3 adds a dedicated rotorcraft control system with: • Classic force trim and FTR • Force-trim on/off • Four-way beep trim • AFCS follow-up trim • Cyclic damping • ETL and VRS cues • Rotor and two-per-rev vibration • Skid scrape and retreating-blade-stall buffet • Bell 206, H125, and generic helicopter profiles Rebuilt Flight Check Flight Check can now test pitch and roll direction, centering, damping, friction, trim, autopilot follow-up, fixed-wing and helicopter forces, individual effects, and the real Safety Stop path. Each test uses safe temporary settings and restores your configuration afterward. SUPPORTED HARDWARE • MOZA AB6 • MOZA AB9 • MOZA AY210 • Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback 2 • Logitech G940 • Logitech Force 3D Pro • Logitech WingMan Force 3D • Experimental support for other joystick-class FFB devices DOWNLOAD FFB-Bridge 1.3: https://ffb-bridge.com/ffb-bridge-1-3 Hardware compatibility: https://ffb-bridge.com/hardware Release notes: https://ffb-bridge.com/releases#1.3.0 Support and feedback: https://ffb-bridge.com/feedback FFB-Bridge is free, local-first, and requires no application account. Feedback from MOZA users, helicopter pilots, and owners of less-common FFB hardware is especially welcome.

I think you're just going to have to use it and see. There are WAY too many changes from FSX -> 2024 to really go over it one by one. Don't think of it as an "upgrade" from FSX, just treat it as a brand new sim and learn it that way.

Yes I’m out as well. Good luck with your app, I wish you well. The vibe is just off for me.

Agreed. When it's ready, post it here, show a video, let us download and play with it. I'm on both sides of this now - as a user plus someone developing an app(ffb-bridge, ffb-probe, not linking cause it's not relevant here, but just FYI in case you're interested). I know how tempting it is to really go hard on the teasers, but as a user.. I want to SEE and USE something (preferably free and privacy-respecting). Good luck with your app, I'm hoping it's good.. but please, do post something more of substance when it's actually ready.

I know I’m the developer and therefore biased - but I strongly recommend buying one on eBay. These sticks are cheap and the software really does make them amazing. And it’s totally free..

Hi all I took my little tool for Force Feedback and turned it into something interesting. I hope you all like it. It's free, privacy respecting, no telemetry, no cloud, runs locally. Let me know if you have questions. Force-feedback is back! You can use an old force-feedback joystick with X-Plane 11 and 12. Built for the Microsoft Sidewinder ForceFeedback v2, the tool also supports many other sticks. It reads live telemetry from XP and drives the motors in your force-feedback joystick — a full flight-model force model, not a rumble effect. It’s free, runs locally, designed to be privacy-first and user-respecting, and needs no account. Dashboard1280×949 110 KB Real force feedback, back in the cockpit — FFB-Bridge drives the SideWinder Force Feedback 2 straight from MSFS. What it works withSimulators: MSFS 2024 and MSFS 2020 (over SimConnect), plus X-Plane 11/12 (UDP). The active sim is auto-detected on startup. Hardware: the Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback 2 is the primary, plug-and-play stick, along with the Logitech Force 3D Pro, WingMan Force 3D, and Flight System G940. You can also enable other force-feedback joysticks experimentally to try all other sticks. More hardware will be validated in time. Platforms: Windows and Linux for MSFS; a signed macOS (Apple Silicon) build is available for X-Plane. Tuning1280×949 83.5 KB Tune every effect, or just pick a control-system feel — Manual, Hydraulic-boosted, or Fly-by-wire — per aircraft. What you actually feelA centring force that loads up under G and shifts to where you’ve trimmed Airspeed-loaded pitch and roll forces — the controls get heavier with speed Stall buffet and a stall stick-shaker, overspeed and Mach buffets Runway rumble (by surface type), touchdown thump, gear bumps, brake shudder Engine rumble (from the sim’s own per-engine vibration when reported) Gear-deploy and flap-extension shudders, spoiler and turbulence buffets A per-aircraft control-system feel selector — Manual, Hydraulic-boosted, or Fly-by-wire — so a trainer and an airliner feel different Profiles1280×949 64.9 KB Per-aircraft profiles with auto-select, plus a free community Profile Library to browse and download. How it worksNo plugin and nothing to install inside the sim — FFB-Bridge runs alongside it and reads telemetry over UDP. It ships with starter profiles for common aircraft, supports per-aircraft auto-select, and has a free community Profile Library you can browse and download from. Local-first by design: no account, no telemetry, no cloud. The Windows installer and macOS build are code-signed. Get it Downloads for every platform: https://ffb-bridge.com/ Docs and setup guide: https://ffb-bridge.com/docs SupportEmail: [email protected] Community forum: https://ffb-bridge.com/community Feedback Form: https://ffb-bridge.com/feedback

FFB-Bridge RC1 is out: https://ffb-bridge.com Lots! of changes. Light mode Major improvements in flight forces. Flap drag, gear drag, and much more added, and more refined New HID direct mode bypasses DirectInput and talks directly to the FFBv2. Nicer feedback, would appreciate reports. Set it up under Support - Advanced Hardware App remembers saved profiles, automatically picks them when you start the sim with that plane Can auto-arm on sim start (opt-in under settings). Lots more on the change log here: https://ffb-bridge.com/docs/changelog I hope you all like this one. It was a lot of fun to make. And, yes, there’s one surprise (at least) yet to come. Feedback via the usual sources: [email protected] and https://ffb-bridge.com/feedback

Beta 14 is out! https://ffb-bridge.com Brief notes ( Changelog — FFB-Bridge docs for more) Logitech support added for three sticks - no idea if it works, need your feedback. App is now properly signed with a publisher identity. This also means you can find out who I am, my real-life identity, and why I built this. Please be nice :) Major polish across the app to make it nicer to user, improvements to the Diagnostics, Help, and Dashboard Optional support the dev page if you want to help out. Totally optional. I stand behind my promise of an amazing free app, built by a simmer for simmers. more to come.. Thank you all for your support. It means the world to me. Happy to answer questions here, or via the feedback form/[email protected]

You can safely uninstall. They are (as you say) completely independent. Only thing I can think of if you were using the SAME community folder for both 20 and 24.. but if you did that, you would know. It doesn't happen by default. If you are using the same community folder, make a copy or change the name. Uninstalling 2020 will delete the 2020 community folder, so if that was shared with 2024.. you will lose it. Most people will not have this issue, this is not the default.

Have you tried DLAA at native res like @Cloud Surfing said? That worked the best for me to reduce this kind of thing.

Very nice. I moved to Cachy last month and it's been amazing. I have MSFS running great on it too. XP of course is native. I have a powerful machine, but even so, Cachy is a lot smoother than Windows 11 LTSC. I'm very happy with Cachy. Sorry for the offtopic, but nice to see more Cachy users )

Hey, FFB-Bridge, my free program that brings force feedback to the Sidewinder ForceFeedback2 had been VERY well received, and lots of people (30+!!) have asked me to add support for other hardware. The Logitech G940, Wingman Force3d, Saitek sticks, Thurstmaster.. turns out there are a bunch of people that have older force feedback hardware sitting about. I want to add your stick AND I want to build a resource for the whole community - so the next person that wants to build something like that doesn't have to start from scratch. There's no database online that collects the information one needs to build something like this. So I built FFB-Probe. It scans and tests your stick, and lets you decide whether you want to help the community out by uploading a report to the public database that is open to anyone who needs info on these old sticks. I'd really appreciate your help building this out. FFB Probe — Find out what your force-feedback stick can really do Totally free, no-account diagnostic for force-feedback joysticks. Test any DirectInput-visible stick in 5 minutes — modern wheels, retro Logitech / Thrustmaster / SideWinder sticks, gameport-era hardware. See exactly which effects work, then add your stick... This program is totally free to download (no email required even), and will run a set of tests on your hardware. After that, you can choose to upload the info to the public database. No PII whatsoever, you get to see everything that’s uploaded before it submits, and you have to actively choose to share it. You can also just test your hardware and keep the report if you wish. If you wish to share your email after you submit, great. If not, that's cool too! Just submit the data. Public DB here → Force-feedback joystick hardware database · FFB Probe Sample Report → Sample report — Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback 2 · FFB Probe Help me build the database for the whole community, and potentially get your stick added to Ffb-Bridge. Feedback channels remain the same- email [email protected] and the feedback form on Send feedback — FFB-Bridge Happy to answer questions here. Linux version coming soon (FFB-Bridge is already fully Linux compatible, works exactly the same on both OSs)

Hey, FFB-Bridge, my free program that brings force feedback to the Sidewinder ForceFeedback2 had been VERY well received, and lots of people (30+!!) have asked me to add support for other hardware. The Logitech G940, Wingman Force3d, Saitek sticks, Thurstmaster.. turns out there are a bunch of people that have older force feedback hardware sitting about. I want to add your stick AND I want to build a resource for the whole community - so the next person that wants to build something like that doesn't have to start from scratch. There's no database online that collects the information one needs to build something like this. So I built FFB-Probe. It scans and tests your stick, and lets you decide whether you want to help the community out by uploading a report to the public database that is open to anyone who needs info on these old sticks. I'd really appreciate your help building this out. FFB Probe — Find out what your force-feedback stick can really do Totally free, no-account diagnostic for force-feedback joysticks. Test any DirectInput-visible stick in 5 minutes — modern wheels, retro Logitech / Thrustmaster / SideWinder sticks, gameport-era hardware. See exactly which effects work, then add your stick... This program is totally free to download (no email required even), and will run a set of tests on your hardware. After that, you can choose to upload the info to the public database. No PII whatsoever, you get to see everything that’s uploaded before it submits, and you have to actively choose to share it. You can also just test your hardware and keep the report if you wish. If you wish to share your email after you submit, great. If not, that's cool too! Just submit the data. Public DB here → Force-feedback joystick hardware database · FFB Probe Sample Report → Sample report — Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback 2 · FFB Probe Help me build the database for the whole community, and potentially get your stick added to Ffb-Bridge. Feedback channels remain the same- email [email protected] and the feedback form on Send feedback — FFB-Bridge Happy to answer questions here.

Just don’t end up knitting 4 jumpers where you wanted one 🙂

If you are seeing this, your Windows install may have had GPOs applied. Not sure how you had it setup, but it is not usual to see "your organization has blocked access". There are some windows tools like O&O ShutUp, and Debloaters that add GPOs (Group Policy Objects, don't ask lol), and if you used that (or Jetline did), this may be the reason.

Wha? No, that's not true, Windows certainly doesn't think every user is part of an organization. Run as administrator is because windows is a multi-user operating system (like basically every OS these days and for over 25 years now), and when you have multiple users, you also have to ensure permissions are managed (you don't want every user to have access to every other user's files, that defeats the purpose of a multi-user system). And when you have multiple users, some with limited rights.. you have to have a superuser/administrator user that can do anything to anyone. Linux is exactly the same, and I'm pretty certain you don't think that Linux of all things (all distros) is a "corporate-focused" OS. Linux calls it the root user or the superuser, Windows (and MacOS) call it the Admin user. If you want a single user OS these days - HaikuOS comes to mind. No users. You turn on the machine and use it. Like MSDos back in the day.

Hey Stan, I really appreciate the kind words. This thing started out purely as idea for myself to use on my own machine, but I'm so glad I did the work to share it with the community. Hearing things like this from you and many others (got LOTS of great feedback) has really encouraged me to improve the app. When I built it for myself, it was a command line program with basically zero usability features, and I would never have put in the effort to make it better - it worked, right? But knowing that other people like it, and use it, and want it to improve.. that's motivating. I have many more ideas brewing now, and you'll be seeing some more stuff come out soon.. stay tuned! And thank you once again for being an early user and providing great feedback! Btw - not applicable to you perhaps - the site is now available in many languages - Spanish, French, Italian, Dutch, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Portuguese. The app is still in English for the moment; the website was translated with AI and it's mostly fine as most people are tolerant of silly errors on a website, but translating the software needs more care and human review and proper expertise. I'll do that by and by when there's enough demand. But at least international users can read about the app in their own language.

I’d be outside too. Still a bit chilly in Toronto. Though almost there .. all the flowers are out.