George~While you are correct about the effect on the coordinates being nil, the effect on the resulting defined area may, (more so in areas where there is substantial magnetic variation) theoretically, miss the object you're trying to exclude as a result of skewing.It's a relatively unlikely occurrence, but I do see how it can happen. Click on the link I provided and browse the thread for yourself. Perhaps you'll disagree with the explanation, but it seems plausible to me.Tawni

Hello, Edgar~Thanks for your response! Perhaps you missed this ditty in my orginal post:I used ExcBuilder to create a bgl file which didn't work. I had the bgl placed in ..fs9addon sceneryhawaiiscenery and have the hawaii folder installed in the Priority 1 slot (temporarily) in the scenery library.I believe that is consistent with your last suggestion, is it not? I placed it on top of the scenery library stack to give it every chance to strut its stuff without being clobbered by some other scenery wizardry. But still, alas, no joy!Tawni

I'm not sure if any of you guys are still running fs9, as it seems fsx is really picking up steam with the full might and fury of the 3rd party designer stuff spooling up to speed, but if, by chance you are, maybe somebody can see if they have any luck excluding the buildings laying within the Punchbowl crater?The Punchbowl is about 6 miles east of the eastern end of HNL Rwy 8R/26L. I would say just look for the big crater, but unfortunately it's not very well defined within fs9 even with 38m mesh.Tawni

Sorry Tawni,I didn't saw, that you created a new own folder under /addon/...So it is indeed suggestion 2.Regards,Edgar

>if, by chance you are, maybe somebody can see if they have any>luck excluding the buildings laying within the Punchbowl>crater?>>The Punchbowl is about 6 miles east of the eastern end of HNL>Rwy 8R/26L. I would say just look for the big crater, but>unfortunately it's not very well defined within fs9 even with>38m mesh.>It is impossible to spot using the default landclass and mesh.Perhaps if you could give us the centre coordinates?George

The Punchbowl is right around N21 18.75, W157 50.80, just above the many high rise buildings of FS9. Unfortunately, there are many buildings sitting in the Punchbowl, thus the OP's effort to clear them out.This from Google Earth;

The following three screenshots represent:1. The data used and visual point for NW coordinate.2. The data used and visual point for SE coordinate.3. A composite overlay of the first two images and resultant theoretical exclusion zone.This is correct, yes?George, this should also give you enough info to find the Punchbowl area on the generic scenery. Basically if you were to depart Rwy 8R from the position on your screenshot, once you've reached end of runway, fly runway heading for about 5+ nm, the Punchbowl should be at your 9 o'clock.Tawnihttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/177674.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/177676.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/177677.jpg

I love it! everybody taking part and posting images, great!George, are you still on FS 9? This is the first time I have been back there this year - fantastic frame rates!Tawni, are these the culprits?http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/177678.jpgThey look like generic buildings to me. This was a good opportunity to pull out Jim Keir's LWMViewer2:http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/177679.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/177680.jpgAnd generic buildings they are.So, this should get rid of them all:<?xml version="1.0"?>Looks like you have your work cut out for you - the stadium and lots of buildings straddling the highway.Best regards.Luis

Hi, Luis~That's a very cool utility! I must have it. =PAnd, yup, them be the culprits alright. Grrrr, I hate them!I used your code and sadly, still no luck. Did you try creating the exclusion area. Did it work? I can't believe I can't get a nothing process like this to work! It's infuriating.If I can't solve this problem soon, I'm afraid I may have to enter virtual world mode, climb into my computer, load my virtual C-208 (with belly pod) with virtual dynamite and blast the living daylights out of those stupid buildings! =)Tawni

>George, are you still on FS 9? This is the first time I have>been back there this year - fantastic frame rates!>No Luis, I use FS9 only to check for problems such as this. I agree I do get much high frame rates than in FSX but I prefer the 1m/pixel photoscenery over the 4m version.George

Here are the images associated with the post regarding how I set the coordinates in EB, somehow the other ones got lost in the abyss:NWhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/177699.jpgSEhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/177700.jpgOverlayhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/177701.jpg

Images are purged at midday on the first Wednesday of the month, just when you put yours up. Tough luck! It has happened to me a couple of times.This works for me:This has the good quotation marks that BGLComp likes. And here is the result:http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/177705.jpgAll gone!If it does not work for you, perhaps you should try disabling all add-on scenery for the area and then try the exclude.Jim's LWMViewer2 is definitely very, very cool. Get it here:http://www.jimkeir.co.uk/FlightSim/To open the files, go to File menu and Open by Coordinates.This will load the basic terrain files, then right-click to get the list of Files for this Area.This gives all the files that can be activated and viewed. To activate, go to the Active column and double click on desired files.This program lets you see all terrain and objects (except autogen). You can exclude any object, add any object or generic building, and create land and water class.Very cool.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/177706.jpgBest regards.Luis

I grab the large ZIP file that has FS9 in it. Grab FSConnect, ExcBuilder and the 2004 BGLComp SDK. Get it all installed and see that Luis beat me by a few minutes. Curses, foiled again!My exclude BGL did the same as Luis' and while I can't speak for him, the one difference I see from Desertwind's efforts and mine is directional heading, which may or may not matter? Going into slew mode and hitting the spacebar puts me at 349, versus 360 of Desertwind. It wouldn't shock me at all that this slight (11 degrees) difference would affect the validity of the BGL file.But it's great to see that for FS2004, the Punchbowl is now high-rise building free. And I'll try to make it look as it should for FSX.

<<< PROBLEM SOLVED >>>Ok, I just knew it was going to be something stupid on my part. At some point during this frustrating mess, I removed my hawaii scenery directory from the scenery library. Therrrrrre's your sign! :-rollThe Punchbowl is now clean and clear! Thanks to all who responded, especially you, Luis, and who will all undoubtedly have a good chuckle or two at the final outcome at my expense. Go ahead, you know you want to. :-lolSo, now, shhhhhh, I'm hunting waywood stwucktures!(ala Elmer Fudd)TawniDon't give up until you've exhausted all your possibilities...