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Is it just me? Or does it seem like RealAir Simulations and PMDG have abandoned the Fly! community?RealAir has been hyping their FS2K SF.360. And PMDG have a new announcement on their homepage promising news about an upcoming FS2K TurboProp.What happened to the Seneca, TB9, and SkyArrow? I can only guess that the Fly! community has crossed the economic event horizon into the vast economic black hole of a dying product. Seems a tragedy. It really is a great simulation engine. Too bad we couldn't get it into open source or something like that...Ah well, at least we have the great folks at ROTW...

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Don't be disappointed Tony (-:Look it from a bright side! :(There are many projects going on for FLY! III know for sure there are a lott of people working hard on add-on's specialy for FLY! II, including me. Here's a project I just started. It's a BAe systems 146-300 I'll gona make it in a Buzz scheme. I released a second version of the Beechcraft aswell some days ago have a look in the AVsim's Library!! ;) Cesar did some repaints for it!Take care :-wave

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Hi Tony,I completely agree with you. PMDG is not even answering posts in their forum. It is a shame. Hopefully the folks at ROTW can keep the 'torch' burning on this great sim.Regards,Bob L

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>Is it just me? Or does it seem like RealAir Simulations and >PMDG have abandoned the Fly! community? >There is currently a thread running on the MSFS forum regarding freeware versus payware. As is implied in this thread, many aircraft models are now becoming extremely sophisticated & takes a group of people up to several thousand of hours to produce one. With the research, design, & support required........... it's more of a job that takes away from other activities, as well as hobby time. For some, the amount of time is nearly full time & a lot of part time for others. The reality of this, is that it requires an income to make up for it. Given the user base between FLY & FS2002, it's easy to see how it adds up economic wise!Fact is, like it or not, most of the best & complete aircraft are from those who have been in the business awhile & have a number of designer/programmers to share the load. Some freeware examples such as the ROTW TBM700 & Falcon 50 for FS2002 are the exceptions. But how often do these examples come along?L.Adamson

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Mmmmmmm - I wonder what ever happened to the patch that was expected a few weeks ago (fixed the LDG Gear / visual model with the night lights for the PMDG 757, amoung other things...). Nobody has heard from any of the Beta team members on this forum in months and I'm not talking about the beta work, but just in general discussion???Oh well, I'll be uploading a complete database overhaul for Australia (Airports & Runways V1.1, ILS, Waypoints and Navaids) as well as taxiways for A-L and some higher res elevation data for each of the States around Australia, starting with New South Wales, Queensland and Victoria (Now have some mountains and hills to look at). If anyone is interested in Terrascening Sydney and Adelaide, please let me know and I'll upload the data packs required for you.Cheers,Danny VickersAustralian Fly! Group.

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There is still work going on with the PMDG 757, both related to the general Fly! II patch and on the product itself.Pete

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Sorry Tony - I don't agree. It's true that both groups are involved in or considering projects for MSFS, but there are also things in the wings from both groups for Fly!II.There is work that needs to be completed on a patch with the Beta Team before PMDG can proceed with some of the things they're trying to accomplish. The Beta work has been somewhat delayed for very necessary personal and business reasons but the work is still proceeding.RealAir (through several posts by Peter Sidoli) has made it clear that work continues on the Seneca, etc.As Larry states, it takes thousands of man-hours to complete sophisticated projects like this. Both groups need to produce for MSFS for simple economic reasons, but they have also stated they enjoy working with the Fly! SDK and wish to continue.

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Time is the biggest thing, I'm still working on stuff for Fly and Fly2, DC-3 inards, DHC-2 for both Fly's getting the C140 and the Aero Commander converted to Fly2, even got the specs, pics, etc on a Diamond Katana where I'm taking my flight training, but getting the time to actually sit down and work on them right now is almost impossible. Think there is still plenty being developed, only thing needed is the time to get them done.c ya :-waveBart flyhelp@zoomtown.comhttp://bartsflyplace.tripod.com/pics/ryans...ight/flight.gif http://bartsflyplace.tripod.com/bart_logo3.jpg

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I am very happily using FLY2k, and will for the foreseeable future. However, I fully admit that FLY is a dead sim. It is also the best sim I have ever used in all my time since MSFS v1.0, FU, x-plane, ATP, etc. I try not to think about what I will be using when I finally upgrade hardware, but I am putting off that day in hopes something really good comes along again; or by some miracle I get lured back to MSFS.

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I am not sure whether PMDG abandoned the FLY platform for good but their non-participation in their forum is very telling unless they all went for vacation on Santorini ... On the other hand they had stated before their continuation of the FLY-line would greatly depend on the sales of their 757. I suspect the sales of the 757 were very disappointing - I judge it by the forum activity and how it compared with other forums after similar product releases.Whatever they decide about FLY I am absolutely ecstatic about their upcoming Jetstream for FS2002. First, they deserve better economic returns, second I suspect this product has potential of being an absolute gem - Robert flies this plane professionally and if you realize that Eric Ernst flies 767 for living and what it did to the quality of his famous 767PIC - well, you can figure out the rest.Best of luck to PMDG on this turboprop. It is a great team and I believe the best from them is yet to come.Michael J.

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Danny,Randall is correct; some of the PMDG issues rely on updates I am working on for a future build. I don't have any dates for this as of yet, so that may be holding them up.Rich

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Maybe we can band together and start a few open source projects for flyII. I would like to be able to help, I just don't have the know-how to create an aircraft. Anyone know of any good docs for those who want to give development a try??-dajackman

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Well, Tony,just to bring a ray of good news into the gloomy picture you're painting:I am preparing a new(er) version of Squawkbox for Fly!2. I am hoping to get some more stuff corrected, and get another significant feature going for it, namely the ability for SB to auto-find the appropriate active servers for VATSIM and/or IVAO and populate its table entries.That does NOT mean it will be ready anytime soon - I just wanted you guys to know that I haven't given up on Fly!2 at all... ;-)FS2K2 - not a bad sim at all - I just wish it had the development environment that the Fly!2 SDK provides...

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>or by some miracle I get >lured back to MSFS. Mike,Consider the eye-candy of FS2002. It is really amazing if you explore all the possibilities. But then you probably hate the aircraft. Then consider 767PIC or .. wait for the PMDG's Jetstream. :-eekMichael J.

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>>or by some miracle I get >>lured back to MSFS. >>Mike, >>Consider the eye-candy of FS2002. It is really amazing if >you explore all the possibilities. But then you probably >hate the aircraft. Then consider 767PIC or .. wait for the >PMDG's Jetstream. :-eek >FWIW------ I really do enjoy some noteable FS2002 aircraft such as the Dreamfleet Archer II, Flight 1 Cessna 421, & the FSD Cheyenne. The cockpits are full of nice avionic features. A they are a lot of fun for "lower" level flights across some interesting terrain. I really don't care much for fully into the cockpit type of simming such as the PIC 767. Whenever I've flown commercially, I've always had the urge to do the same trips in a smaller GA plane, twin or fast single to see the scenery up-close. The same apply's with my simming "adventures"! And keeping this "FLY" related, it was the lower level flight with TerraScene2 that made the original FLY/FLY2K so interesting!! I made "tons" of that mountainous scenery!L.Adamson

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Men at work...We are working at ROTW, sorry if you find the time too long :-roll What about aircrafts:- we are creating for RealAir the Seneca panel and the inside views- we are building a Mustang P51D- we are building the ATR 42/72All these planes will be achieved at the end of september (I hope).- we have also created the last 3 month, a lot of french airports (Orly, Toussus, Marseille, Lyon St Exupery, Lyon Bron, Toulouse, ...)- also an european textures package- also several Dll are in progress.Please, if Fly! is dead, we want to be informed ;-) http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d23739667f0e712.jpg

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G'day Danny,Mate please upload the Sydney data for Terrascene. Just a quick question though. How can we terrascene sydney without the satelite images files? I've been unable to find them anywhere?Or does your upload already contain the necessary information?Will your upload have instuctions for dummies? I do so want to get a copy of Sydney terrascenery.Thanks for all your hard workCheers,Roger @YSSY

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Hi dajackman,There is a tutorial by Jean Sabatier on making and aircraft model with Studio 3d Max at the ROTW site.www.simvol.org/flyIt's a French site but the tutorial is in English. Also check the Avsim library files for "how to's " by Terminal reality staff.Cheers,Roger @YSSY

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Hi Roger,No satellite pics required - I have created all of the shape files required for Terrascening. They are all based on 1:250 000 and 1:100 000 scale maps so the data is pretty accurate in most cases. (and just quietly, has taken me a s%#t load of time to produce and they are not completely finished yet - roads etc). All you will need to do is unzip the data files (including the TS Project file) into the TS folder, then select Sydney from the Projects. Press Render and in about 2 hours time (will vary based on your memory and processor), hey presto - Sydney V2.0. Download my elevation data (which will be uploaded next weekend - 13 Jul) and you will have some interesting scenery to fly by.I would like to upload an enhanced version, but I'm still working out how to easily upload / download the files (over 800M for 1 tile). I'm thinking of using ECW compression on the images. This will take some more time (I am not willing to show pics just yet ;-) as I want to ensure the textures are more harmonious ?? Basically, I'm a fussy bugger and I'm not 100% happy to show them yet - I hope you understand).Additionally, I'm working on a utility to convert DAFIF data into AIRAC updates for airports, runways, navaids and waypoints. Once the code is working, I need to speak to Rich or someone from the beta team on the best way of releasing the AIRACs - new PODs or massive DEX files ???Anyway, much work to do and I have to go away for work tomorrow for a week... Good thing I have a laptop as well...Cheers,Danny VickersAustralian Fly! GroupPS. Looking for a new name so it doesn't clash with AFG.

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there's nothing wrong with a niche. Let's face it, how many add ons have you bought lately? All the sims I fly have strong and weak points, but I do like the idea of variety. For example, in a typical week I will have done1. one virtual airline flight-fly2 and AMerican West Virtual Airline2. one pmdg 757 flight3. one ROTW plane flight4. flanker 2.55. msfs2002 md-83 in Europe6. ATC by AerosoftHeck, I can't complain at all.tony

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