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Hi folks,Sure is quiet out there... everyone must be on holidays. Can't believe the last post was nearly three weeks ago. :-eek Cheers,Bruce H :-wave

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Oh well, WE'RE here ;)I've actually been rather busy doing WORK on weeknights, so the weekends get spent doing little apart from hiding from the cold and rain...Haven't done much flying recently either. Should pull my finger out :-lolRegards,Jon Point

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Me too :-)Jon, I've sent you a couple of emails a few weeks ago. Did you receive any?Hans Petter

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It's summer time it^s garden time - minimizing computer hours :-):-wave Andre

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Whew, that's a relief.I was starting to wonder if I had been inadvertently moved to a parallel universe or something. :-hah I've not had a lot of time for FU myself lately, back onto the renovations and trying to earn a living.But I am continuing to work on a little project here that I hope will see the light of day within the next couple of weeks, and will be looking for a few beta testers. More on that later...That's got you wondering eh?CheersBruce H:-wave

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Bruce,"I was starting to wonder if I had been inadvertently moved to a parallel universe or something"I was definitely in one for a while there...Andre's Channel Islands came out just as I'd finished a mountain of work. Then it started again...Me and my bright ideas :-hahH-PSorry I didn't respond at the time. Truth is, I haven't even looked at Agtim's server yet - I'm only just now getting around FU3 again after my 'unquiet' period. I hope it lasts for a while so I can get some things finished ;)All, Now I'm torn between what to do in FU3. I've sorta 1/4 done a lot of things - Sanfran bridges, Channel Island night lights (whoops, and Seattle too :-lol ), a plane I was playing with and Western Washington, now I have the maps for it ;) Then I really should try and get Oz going now I have the spare GBs :-rollRegards,Jon Point

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Jon,Sounds a bit like my scenario. I get a "project" 95% finished, then have a bright *:-* idea and move on to something else... So many unfinished projects.I have asked that the inscription on my tombstone read "See? I finally finished something";-) Cheers :-wave Bruce H

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MotorCycle riding and outside yard work Eat up a lot of time in summer .Typical ride is 100 to 200 miles . getting 50 mpg ,at $4.00 gal. CaptRolo

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"Getting 50mpg" you must be on the road :-lolBikes are the best value IF you don't have to take too many chances with traffic. My old GSXR750 could get 50mpg all day at 65MPH.Pity that 65MPH is sooooo boring on a sports bike that I lost my license :-rollBut the Husky 360 is still in the garage and does real nice up the forest - at er, about 65MPT (miles per tank) or about 20MPG!PS I did get the license back but living around here is no place for road bikes...Regards,Jon Point

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Hi gents,I'm still flying FU3, but what with IL2, Lock On, SilentWings, and so on, ;-) just don't get the time to regularly update :( Cheers,John:-wave[/size][/color]

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Gone quiet out there again... everyone must be on holidays. :(
I've been on the road working contracts since Sep 08, so hardly any time for fun stuff. Right now in Lake Charles, La.Just recently replaced the internal hd on my personal lappy, replaced the 100g Toshiba with a 250g WD Scorpio(smooth job 'cause I also purchased Norton Ghost14), purchased X-pane9, the FSX Accel pack, a 1tb ext usb hd. Hoping for time to "play". Maybe wrap all this contract work up in May. Looking forward to tinkering with Agtims new SF expansion. You all take care,jimb

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I've been on the road working contracts since Sep 08, so hardly any time for fun stuff. Right now in Lake Charles, La.Just recently replaced the internal hd on my personal lappy, replaced the 100g Toshiba with a 250g WD Scorpio(smooth job 'cause I also purchased Norton Ghost14), purchased X-pane9, the FSX Accel pack, a 1tb ext usb hd. Hoping for time to "play". Maybe wrap all this contract work up in May. Looking forward to tinkering with Agtims new SF expansion. You all take care,jimb
HI all ; checking in I'm flying both FU3 and X-Plane.weather warming up time for spring cleaning and my Bike prep . jimb;You'll like Xplane

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HI all ; checking in I'm flying both FU3 and X-Plane.weather warming up time for spring cleaning and my Bike prep . jimb;You'll like Xplane
Yes, several of us like X-Plane :( I never figured I'd discuss other sims here...Well, I still like FU III too and I've spent a lot of time flying and enhancing a few aspects of FU III for some time now. For fixed wing aircraft (as opposed to helicopters) FU III still shines. The underlying flight model is pretty good, even by today's standards. However, it leaves something to be desired when you really push the envelope. As for FS the true ramifications of a deep stall aren't really modeled -- an unrecoverable stall won't happen no matter how hard you try. In X-Plane however...But then, one might argue that maneuvers way outside of the envelope are irrelevant. The main thing is realistic handling within the sensible range. FU III certainly models proper flight quite well.This is really a point we've made over and over again for years -- while FU III was way too resource hungry for the PCs of the late 90s we can run as it was intended to run today. The weather is fabulous. Around Y2K I couldn't really explore the full weather options since my PC wasn't able to keep up. It's such a thrill to run an old application on a state-of-the-art computer and see it, well... fly with all sliders to the right. No matter which other flightsims I use I'm going to keep cherishing this one :(

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FU3 will always have a special place in my heart (for obvious reasons), but I don't think that I will be installing it again. The flight models of the Cessna 172 and Beechcraft Baron in FSX are good enough for my style of flying, and the same can be said of the surprisingly stable HS748 from Rick Piper. "Throttle only" flights in MSFS in the past have been a rather unsatisfying "bob up and down" affair (and that still seems to happen to a certain extent with the default King Air 350), but those planes mentioned above are very well behaved these days.

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"Throttle only" flights in MSFS in the past have been a rather unsatisfying "bob up and down" affair (and that still seems to happen to a certain extent with the default King Air 350), but those planes mentioned above are very well behaved these days.
While I'll never understand why you insist on not trimming for the various phases of flight there are a few things to consider. The "bobbing up and down" may be a realistic modeling of variations in throttle input while flying with a high angle of attack. The phugoid oscillation will tend to be more pronounced when the AoA is high. Secondly, different aircraft have different thrust lines. When the engines are positioned way above or way below the center of gravity a change in power will cause an instantaneous and transient change in attitude. Thus, the plane will nose up or nose down as the power changes and oscillate for some time until it returns to the stable attitude set by the trim.A plane that doesn't phugoid (oscillate / bob) when you horse around isn't necessarily well-behaved -- it may be unrealistically "stable" in the wrong sense. Since you're an FU III old-timer you know what I mean -- real aircraft / realistically modeled sim aircraft are not riding on rails. So what is a truly stable aircraft? It's one that returns to what it was doing (some time) after you stop changing the inputs (power, control surfaces). Provided it was flying at 90 knots before you started yanking the stick around / throttling up / down it should return to flying at 90 knots when you let go. That is, while a change in power will decide whether it ends up climbing or sinking it should do so at a speed of 90 knots when the bobbing subsides. That's a well-behaved aircraft :(

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Trimming increases the speed of the plane, and forces me to think about more things than I want to. With my style of flying, I set the trim and flaps at the start, and then the only aspect of control that I have to think about for the entire flight is the throttle input. The low speed of the plane (even a big turboprop like the HS748) gives me more time to enjoy the scenery, and also confidence that I am in complete control. I know that this baffles most of you, but that's the way I like to do things. I'm not interested in recreating flights exactly as they are done in the real world. I just want to be able to control the planes at low speeds (and that requires a half decent physics engine), interact with ATC, and enjoy looking at impressive scenery and detailed airports.As for the "bobbing up and down", I am not referring to the immediate reaction of the plane when I increase or decrease the power. I am referring to the fact that the King Air 350 doesn't seem to have a stable middle ground when hand flying a final approach. It seems to either want to climb, or else drop out of the sky! Maybe that's realistic? Maybe the plane isn't particularly suited to hand flying? I have no idea, but it doesn't really matter. I can live with the other three :(

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