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Position and hold instruction

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Hi guys, I think I have asked this question before and did a search in the forum but did not get any results. Sorry if this is a repeat. Anyhow, will RC tell me to Position and hold on the runway right after the landing aircraft on the same runway lands? Dont know if this is a limition of FS but I hate the way the default ATC waits for the aircraft to vacate the runway and then clear you or the AI planes to takeoff. I think it would speed things up if they just let the planes position and hold and then wait for the landing plane to vacate. Just curious if RC does have this implemented. I think Im going to place an order either tonight or tommorrow for RC.Thanks guys,Bill

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i seem to recall that we handle it depending on whether you are in the usa or outside. different rules for different areas.

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So problem solved in the USA area?Bill

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i cannot remember, 100%, whether that's the case. maybe someone else can validate the difference in handling of taxi into position and hold.jd

I'm not 100% sure either, but I think position & hold is given immedietly if the no.1 aircraft in front of you is taking off. But I think you have to wait until the runway is vacated if you're waiting for a landing aircraft.Subs

Yes, that's my experience. I feel it could be a lot tighter for departures. In the US where ATC are permitted to use discretionary landing and take-off clearances, RW ATC would use 2-3 miles as the cut-off for a landing jet aircraft to judge whether or not they could get a departuring medium category (B737) jet away away in front of a landing jet. The cut-off moves out as the weight of the departing aircraft increases. If a B747 on a long haul flight has to stop at the holding point, then it is going to take a while for him to spool up and move onto the runway. These spacings and cut-offs are all part of the training of local controllers and are based on long and sound experience. Where discretionary landing and take-off clearances are not permitted then to spacing is greater.It is probably asking a lot of JD to factor in all the variables, altough if a landing aircraft has three to five miles to run, maybe a line up and hold would be appropriate. So long as the departing aircraft is at least 6000 feet down the runway and airborne before the landing aircraft crosses the threshold the runway separation standard has been met. NeilYPAD

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