TooWings

Did I touch a nerve? ;-) Yes I know that ...and ? Obviously or I wouldn't have mentioned them. Thats exactly my point!! As you rightly said:: the ratings are there to "ensure that the game" is suitable for young children to play. My point being that FSX and FSX-SE etc etc are games suitable for 3 year olds' and over. Well that's very kind of you to offer. ;-) In that case I think I'll choose a flight-sim thats also a shooter..and is also rated Pegi 3, ('suitable for age 3 and over"). Its produced by Microsoft you know, and it's called Combat Simulator 3. I just hope that my 4 year old nephew isn't too frightened by the sounds of the loud aircraft's' guns, and the sight of war-planes on fire with pilots trapped inside falling to their deaths! ...... Microsoft War Simulator? Start em young ;-) (A flight sim - first person shooting game) https://youtu.be/9IEy4g1wC0E?t=10m44s .

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Its good to hear Dovetail confirm that "..our next flight simulator will be a realistic simulation style simulation" (whatever that means!!) , ....and that they want to produce "a highly detailed brilliant simulator". The thing is: Dovetail Games have been producing highly detailed brilliant simulators for years, namely their Train Simulator and Fishing Simulator; Both games are marketed and sold as simulator games and are rated 'Pegi 3', meaning 'suitable for age 3 and over', as is FSX-SE, which of course is also 'developed' by Dovetail Games...sort of. Who knows, we might even see a Pegi-10 rating on Dovetail's forthcoming 'brilliant' flightsim? ;-) Huh??? ------------------------------ Definition of "Dumb" meaning:... * lacking the power of speech * temporarily unable to speak:* refraining from any or much speech; silent. --------------------------------- Since this thread has over 17,000 hits and comments, I wouldnt call it dumb; ..or at least certainly not the dumbest on Avsim ;-)

No I think its real enough. There have been quite a few such incidents recently, including these two...... https://youtu.be/odOOtuZ4X50?t=1s https://youtu.be/zdmuVQAQSrY?t=1m1s .

In my opinion, that means:- We DO have plans to release DFS on XBox once the PC version (and sales revenue) is well established, as per our Train Simulator and Fishing Simulator games. We are after all a games' company aiming to serve both the console and the PC/Steam market. Nah! That side of things isn't important to me. My aim is to see any half-decent MS flight-sim/game released on console within the next couple of years or so, so that I can finally kick back with a beer, pick up a controller and fly around on an XBox without having to jump through hoops with PC installs and such, which I've done for too many years -decades even. Call me lazy ..... ;-) --- FlightsimGuy wrote..... "Well there you go guys. Once again, we know nothing, but let the "certain" speculation continue on! Its the Avsim way!" -------------------------- Thanks FSG for the permission to continue with the debate and speculation. ;-) Sounds like you had a good weekend! ;-)

---------------- "Hi guys, Just to clear things up a little, we do not have plans to bring DFS to XBox.at this time". -DTG_Aimee ----------------

What's the difference between a sim and a game? What's the difference between a simmer and a gamer? What's the difference between a PC and a console? 1. Sandbox 'games' such as GTA-5 have no need for 'gameplay outside of the storyline; instead 'players' are free to walk, drive or fly around in that virtual world in the same way as players in FSX or X-Plane do when they choose not to do flight challenges (missions).. GTA-5 also comes with comprehensive manuals and maps. 2. The 'gamer' will possibly read the documentatior in the same way as the FSX 'simmer/gamer' might possibly do ;-) 3. A console just works..mostly. .

:wub: I just like the way the lights twinkle at night. :wink: https://youtu.be/tdvWW_dpokU?t=9m49s :wub:

Keep in mind that consoles are bought for all sorts of reasons, including just accessing the internet and playing blue ray DVDs and music. In addition Sony's Playstation for example has numerous 'games' for simply relaxing to, such as the amazing 'Flower' ..plus there are games like Heavy Rain which are a combination of video game, puzzle solver and an actual movie. ...So I therefore suspect that many console users would be happy just flying from A to B in a flightsim, in the same way as many happily fly from A to B in GTA on both console and PC as we speak..... ..or even just walk around in the rain soaking up the amazing ambience ;-)........ https://youtu.be/nx1eN46839o .

https://youtu.be/IANwb_qT1gg?t=30s .

Yes I had my doubt too ...but it sounds quite legit.... "Instead of a bulky, complex steering wheel, the Kurganets-25 tank has a pad inspired by the PlayStation's which is "easier for a young soldier to familiarise himself with", according to Tractor Plants VP Albert Bakov, and is a form that Sony has spent decades perfecting. Built to take out enemy infantry, the Kurganets-25 is actually not quite a tank, but it's a bit more serious than an armoured truck. It's currently being tested in Russia and should go into full-scale production in 2016". http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/war-games-russia-s-new-tanks-are-controlled-by-playstation-pads-1293927

I wouldn't worry about it since some of the best military pilots and tank crews around the world use game-pad controllers these days. They are quite efficient and also ergonomically friendly, meaning there's less risk of suffering repetitive strain injury since the arms and hands can be kept close to the body rather than reaching out to a stick. BBC- 'The surprising use of games controllers' http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20141212-press-x-press-y-fire-laser 'Russia reveals its latest tank is controlled by a PLAYSTATION controller' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3082276/War-games-Russia-reveals-latest-tank-controlled-PLAYSTATION-controller.html

No!!!!!!!!!!! :smile:

But of course we've seen the box!! ..and it contains yet another Microsoft Flight Simulator variant - :smile: I made that statement based on science. On the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle to be exact. ;-). .i.e Dovetail will more than likely deliver the flight-sim next year as planned..but we cannot say for definite, as you did. You're clearly not grasping this, so I'll spell it out again. First of all I didn't say that Dovetail will suddenly decide to develop their flight sim for console. What I said was: 'reading between the lines its almost inevitable that Dovetail will release a console version in due course, as they plan to do with Train Simulator and their Fishing 'sim'. Again I'll spell it out for you. Dovetail didnt say they have no console plans for their flight sim. Show me where they said that? What they did say was .... "We have confirmed Trains and Fishing will be on XBox. There are no plans to bring [Dovetail Flight Simulator] to XBox in the immediate future." Note that they said: 'immediate future'. The Cambridge Dictionary definition of 'immediate future' is: - "The period of time that is coming next". i.e. 'not immediately'. You are totally correct!! The speculation is wild and baseless, and people ARE just pulling these definitive conclusions out of thin air" in your world-view, in your mind. But in reality, this thread is simply a casual chat among simmer friends about a games' company producing a rehash of Microsoft's old flightsim game ...and the obvious indications appear to be that Dovetail will, in due course, port that flightsim game to XBox, as it is currently doing with it's PC-based games Train Simulator and Fishing Simulator. Its not rocket science. ;-)

Or how about being on a long-haul flight - with a husband and wife team at the controls.- and a bitter divorce battle in progress.

Yes not bad at all. But there didn't appear to be a proper cockpit view with gauges in that video. Hopefully they'll include a fully working cockpit ..otherwise it may have limited appeal for some. Another issue I have is, once you've grown a bit tired of flying through hundreds of gates etc. in various locations, will the game/sim allow you to free roam over nearby towns, cities and mountains etc?, or will it be like most racing games where an invisible barrier is placed around the racing area, beyond which you cannot escape. How maddening would that be? ;-) https://youtu.be/mpAZOyaA1Cs Sure. But since FSX cannot simulate hitting pylons or cars, or even dipping a wing in water, in cant therefore be classed as a simulation of Red Bull air racing. Hopefully this new sim/game will rectify that and be faithful to actual racing conditions and hazards >>. Pylons and birds https://youtu.be/BycHBgQKnQ0?t=49s Wing dips https://youtu.be/BycHBgQKnQ0?t=4m15s

Nice! Keep it in the family. "Father and daughter co-pilot American Airlines flight together for first time"

"Red Bull Air Race – ...will be the first time that the world's fastest motorsport series can be played on a PC Sorry but FSX is pretty unconvincing in this respect. Not only is the stock scenery pretty awful but there's almost a total dis-connect between the planes and the environment since there is no realistic crash damage modelling or detection. Just this again >> https://youtu.be/U--sqYjAAmg?t=1m18s

A lovely family story this one ...in case you missed it... 'A fluke in the roster meant father and daughter shared cockpit this month' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2956983/Father-59-30-year-old-daughter-finally-fly-pilots-Thomas-Cook-flight-Tenerife.html

Even semi intelligent members like myself realise that you don't have to look in the box to be able to draw conclusions as to what's in the box. Likewise with Dovetail's forthcoming sim/game: ....inference, intuition, guesswork, speculation, hunches, previous experience of the genre, all can play a role in divining future outcomes to a greater or lesser degree.. Einstein for example didn't consciously work out his theory of relativity but rather it came to him in a flash of intuition, a hunch, while he was relaxing. So there's more to life than mere intellect and sensory awareness. Our modern day science-based culture tends to rate 'intelligence' as being based on 'left brain' critical thinking, yet this is only one half of the coin so to speak. . "All great achievements of science must start from intuitive knowledge. I believe in intuition and inspiration.... At times I feel certain I am right while not knowing the reason." - Albert Einstein: Its not coming out in 2016 for definite, that's only an estimate. We know how easily such projects can overrun into the next year or two .or be scrapped altogether...so we'll have to be patient. ..and Dovetail haven't said its coming to PC exclusively. Like I said, its highly likely that their flightsim game will follow their trainsim game -from PC onto XBox, and this is reflected in their latest statements mentioned earlier in this thread. But I agree with when you say: "Everyone just keep flying and having fun" Have a good weekend.

Yes thats what I thought until Jcomm posted the link to the games company. It looks like it''ll be an actual PC game/sim ;-) ... http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-08-05-the-people-behind-project-cars-are-making-a-red-bull-air-race-game

As the old saying goes: "its not the size that counts but how you use it" >> https://youtu.be/hkfZ0NXW39A?t=38s https://youtu.be/J7zFeKf3Jk4?t=3m1s XBox One specs CPU = 8 Core AMD custom CPU - Frequency: 1.75 GHz Ram = 8GB DDR3 GPU = Clock Speed: 853 MHz

Exactly! Plus I've always fancied kicking back with a cool beer and flying around in MSFS on a games console ;-) As to who would complain about a MSFS on XBox, well many of those folks who claim "its a flightsim not a game". When it does appear on XBox though, it will be like Windows OS featuring on a Mac all over again Oh the sacrilege! ;-)

But the blogger only got the date wrong. As Dovetail said:.. "We are not working on bringing DFS to XBox at this time." ..which means develop (revamp) the.PC version first, and then port to the XBox version, as per their Train Simulator. Watch this space ;-) .