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Bert Pieke

For those who have flown the SU2 version..

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Just while the rest of us are waiting... what is the impression you get when you compare SU2 to the original version?1. Visually.. cockpit/avionics "look and feel"2. Procedurally.. functionality of the airplane3. Performance.. any difference in fps, smoothness, responsiveness?

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Yes please! what on about!!! :( while we are waiting for download it from the SERVER...

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To the last two posters:a. Please sign your name (per forum guidelines)b. If you have nothing to say.. don't post..Thanks!

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I've only done one flight with it so far. My framerates were always pretty good, but it does seem a little smoother. I haven't tried the VC yet, mainly because I prefer the 2D zoom panel anyway.I've only scratched the surface on the new FMC functions, but I must say I LOVE the changes I've seen so far, such as the ability to view a list of saved routes, call up navaid info, better organization of SIDs and STARs, and better route display on the ND. The one change I was really looking forward to is the distance-sorting of waypoints when you line select a waypoint identifier that has multiple entries in the database. It shows them in ascending order of distance from the last waypoint in your currently programmed route. Small fix, big help! This came in really handy on the one flight I've done so far, which was from Naha AFB to Hong Kong International ... an area I'm quite unfamiliar with.Having the commanded flaps meter shown on the zoom display is a big help.I have not yet experienced the annoying pitch bobbing problem, so that's another welcome fix.And the manuals ... yikes ... they look VERY thorough. I can't wait to dig in to them when I have more time!The install procedure was flawless.So far so good ... PMDG rocks!

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I dont see what the big deal is if only small things like that have been changed/added. Keith Yingling

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Uhhh ... I'm a customer (who's done only one flight with the SU2) not one of the developers. I'm only mentioning the things I've noticed in my very limited time with the new plane. (Notice where I said I've only scratched the surface.)Have you not seen the massive list of updates that was posted in the forums?

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>I dont see what the big deal is if only small things like>that have been changed/added. >>Keith YinglingLOL - Keith, the difference is huge - we went through 73 beta versions of changes and additions!The biggest ones:1. Completely reprogrammed magenta line drawing on the ND - it is now correct and matches the real aircraft as closely as can be modelled in FS.2. Nearly completely reprogrammed FMC procedure handling with vastly expanded syntax. The plane now realistically allows for SID/STAR transitions, instrument approaches with full missed approach capability. (that's a first in an FS airliner).3. Realistic CWS implementation - think of it as Airbus fly-by-wire for a Boeing. Turn it on, bank or pitch the aircraft, let go of the joystick or yoke and watch as it perfectly holds that attitude. This has never been done before in FS.4. Custom programmed elevator trim system that is independent from FS's very wrong implementation of it - another first.5. Completely redone and tweaked flight models to compensate for FS9's changes/bugs.6. Hundreds of functionality and realism fixes that are too numerous to remember!Ryan

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I've made one flight in the SU2 version. Gotta say, very nice and smooth. Handflew the approach into Miami, trim was responsive and no bobbing up and down. When I selected approach speeds, then dialed them in, on approach for some reason i heard "V1" and "Rotate" not sure why. To be honest I haven't had much time to enjoy the SU2, won't until tomorrow evening, but so far I'm very impressed.Framerates appear to be a LITTLE better, it's such a complicated aircraft, I really didn't expect much in this area.I like the representation of missed approach procedures, and the thoroughness of preflighting the FMC, including winds, temps and such.OH, one thing I forgot:"3. Realistic CWS implementation - think of it as Airbus fly-by-wire for a Boeing. Turn it on, bank or pitch the aircraft, let go of the joystick or yoke and watch as it perfectly holds that attitude. This has never been done before in FS."Haven't tried this yet, but Ryan's wrong about this. Oleksiy Frolov's Dash 8, TCS (Touch Control Steering) also does this. Set the autopilot, the engage TCS, bank or pitch the a/c and it will hold in that bank/pitch. But, it is nice to know it's in the PMDG NG as well.Overall, I'd say the SU2 is not quite a new aircraft, but it's definetly more than just a patch. HUGE KUDOS to PMDG for this. Can only imagine what the 800/900 will be like. Can't wait for TCAS!

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No I didnt see them, I just bought this last week.Keith Yingling

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yeah see if it had TCAS or WAR then Id be up all night like these other guys! :-)Keith

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His does not do anything like this. Our is completely tied in the AFDS, it'snot just a click & hold item. Does his have alpha protection? Does his have ALT CAPTURE? Does his engage while you are in CMD either VANV,LNAV, ALT HLD, V/S or HDG SEL and apply *pressure* and it automaticly reverts to CWS? Is his inhibited in mnay circumstances like the real aircraft say under a certain alitutude? I can give a long list not to mention the fact that a Dash 8's TCS is not a Boeing CWS, it is the FIRST time correctly modelled in FS ever! Sorry but that is a simplistic feature and really is a disgrace to even compare the two........ [h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/betaimg.jpg

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I have a Jetline Yoke so this should be fun to use now. Randy, quick quesiton while I wait for the server. Can you turn off the floodlights in VC mode at night now to make it where it is just the glow from the CRT displays and the lettering on the gauges?

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Umm I really not sure but I think that you cannot. That's Vin's beauty ;). It has been toned down greatly though since SU1-1, much easier on the night flying in the VC. I do know in the 2D You can adjust the brightness for each display (hidden click spot in left top corner) in day & night and this also goes for the FMC on the *Brightness* knob..Cheers,[h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/betaimg.jpg

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Wow that is really exciting stuff. This has to be the most painful post I've ever read. LOL Personally I am looking forward to the missed approach proceedures.Lookin' forward to it!__Josh - Level 32 SU2 Clickmaster

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Yes you're right, TCS is not a Boeing CWS, but what Ryan had described, Fanda's Dash 8 already did. I will agree that the PMDG NG is probably the first to model CWS, but to say the Fanda TCS is a simplistic feature and a disgrace to compare the two is a little uncalled for don't you think?

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>__>Josh - Level 32 SU2 Clickmaster I see you have gone up a few levels since the last time I read one of your posts. I suggest you go to SU2 Clickmaster anonymous to get help ;)

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Well I think that goes both ways indeed, not the correct use of terms, no disrepect towards his good work, I just want it clear that it is much more coding than it appears to have all that work together. It is like comparing apples and oranges. Even the real TCS is a simple version of the complex Boeing CWS as is CWS is simple to true FBW. [h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/betaimg.jpg

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Yep! The DeHavilland Dash 8-300 is a much simpler airplane than the 737-700 NG, no doubt about it.But, you can compare apples and oranges in this case, and I've made the case before that you CAN compare different sims (ie. the Dash 8 to the PMDG NG to the PIC767 to the PSS A320 to the Grabowski ERJ, and so on and so on) but that's a different argument. I feel (because I'm not a Dash 8 pilot, just a lowly Herk driver) that the Fanda Dash 8 TCS is perfectly implemented.I haven't tried the CWS yet in the NG, but boy am I excited to now. Thanks for the insight Randy on the PMDG CWS.

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Randy, you are really crossing the line by refering to comparisons between the PMDG 737 and Oleksiy Frolov's Dash 8 "a disgrace". I doubt very much that you've taken the time to get to know the Dash. I appreciate your support of PMDG and the great work they are doing, but there is absolutely no need to put down the efforts of others!

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It was not the correct words for which I already stated, lousy use of my words really! Read my other post please, I meant no disrepect towards Olekiy, only to the comparison that in fact does not exist and in a way made the work on this CWS as something common which it is not. EDIT: *Common* in the sence that it's easy to implement in FS. I have heard nothing but great things about the Dash 8, I am sure it's a great aircraft although I have not tried it. *Buries head in the sand*lOl[h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/betaimg.jpg

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Hehe ... Randy, now you're calling his work "common" ... quit while you're behind. :)(Just joking around ... I knew what you meant.)

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Where can I get this Dash 8 - I'd like to check it out...Ryan

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