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Hi everybody, I just thought you might enjoy these pictures I took last night while on the jumpseat of PH-XRZ, one of our newest -700s with three pilots (it was my turn to watch) and a low visibility autoland on runway 18R (the new runway, Polderbaan) at EHAM Schiphol.http://www.planetizzy.com/files/DSC09220.JPGHere we are at about 40 feet radio altitude with FLARE mode engaged.http://www.planetizzy.com/files/DSC09221.JPGAt just 6 feet RA with autothrottle in RETARD.Obviously with ISO200, F2.0 and 1/1.3sec exposure, it was very hard to get this picture razorsharp in a moving airplane with very low light, but I think they came out well.Enjoy!Iz

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Nice pic.But i guess the pilots still hand-fly the aircraft in final because i dont see the APR push button on.And also note that the FD is switch off.Then there is no fun anymore if the aircrafts land totaly by itselfs???? Does it?Ramon.

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Iz,do you have the CATIIIB certified 737's, similar to what Easyjet have in their later delivered 737-700's.

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FD does not need to be on for on ILS. You have ILS deviation bars along the side and bottom of the PFD.The APR has changed to VOR LOC and FLARE Mode.

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Martin,Iz flies the 737-700 & 800 for Transavia of Holland.Until recently he flew the 757-200.

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I got a question to for him.Do you realy dont use the stick to land the aircraft? Its all hapening by itself??Ramon.

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Nice pics Iz, just shows what's possible with modern avionics.That viz looks very similar to a recent virtual flight took back into Luton and forgot to check viz conditions :-)I was amazed, and releived that the PMDG 737 did a perfect single channel auto-land :-)

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easyJet don't have cat 3b 700's. If they have, no one told me, nor trained me!! All our -300's and -700's are 3a.On a techy note, notice how transavia use Flap 30. We have only recently been allowed to use Flap 30, previously it was 40 only, owing to the better visability it offers.Iz, nice pics! Don't you just love EHAM.....

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Right to the point where the wheels touch the runway, then you disconnect and do the rest yourself. That's why you need 125m viz, so you can see the runway centreline!

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Andrew,The info I got for Cat 3B came from a discussion thread on pprune that said Easyjet were getting the Cat3B mods with the later delivered 737-700's. Chris Brady's site has some details of the Cat3B capabiltieshttp://www.b737.org.uk/flightinsts.htm

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Wow, great shotsThe real cockpit is so beatifull at night :DI see that the RA is displayed in orange below "FLARE". Is this a customer option? I prefer it over the PMDG standard where the RA is displayed on the Artificial Horizon :)

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Could be a dumb question (it is XMas) but is the missed approach altitude really only 1500'?

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Dean,I have just looked at the Jeppessen Charts for EHAM.It varies between 1500 and 2000ft depending on the runway in use.

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My charts say 2000 ft for runway 18RBut indeed there are soms runways with a MA-alt of 1500ft :)

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Just don't believe everything you read on pprune!! A few of our aircraft have the HUD's, but they were never certified and so are not ever used. Makes for a pricey sun visor really!Andrew

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Yes! EHAM is a busy airport, so they have to restrict the missed apps like this. Don't forget that 1500' at EHAM is more than 1500' above the runway...

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Great PICS Iz... thx for posting them!APP light extinguishes once autopilot takes over. PFD on the FO's side shows a/c is in auto land mode.PS: Wait a minute isn't the color of the MCP suppose to be... wow you would think these guys would do better job on their sim products! :-lol

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Wow, Nice pic! Looks almost as good as the PMDG panel:)Merry Christmas

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SWEET Iz! I notice and assume your RA readout is part of the digital readout on the PFD in the upper right corner? Ah gotta love those customer options ;)Ramon, APP button goes *out*, you reference the FMA not the buttons per se and the Captain's side shows the F/D is the MASter. George! That's a *Collins* MCP unit, quite different in appearance than the Honeywells like on ours ;)[h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/betaimg.jpg

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"And also note that the FD is switch off."The FD's may still be in the ON position, Ramon... Some Boeings have a software/hardware option whereby the FD bars are biased out of view when the respective A/P is in CMD. During Autoland, with both (or all three) A/P's in CMD, both the Captain's and F/O's FD's may disappear.This is an option on 747-400's, so it may be available on the 737NG? Iz?Cheers.Ian.

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Ramon, no this is a full autoland, as you may have concluded from the title of this post "737-700 Autoland pictures".The FD switches are still on but the bars disappear during the flare, they are not usable anyway during that part of the approach, and you're not handflying it anyway.Iz

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Indeed, all customer options :) Actually it doesn't show the captain's FD is the master, they both are because both FCC channels operate independently during autoland. Except now the lights are off since the FD bars disappear during the flare.Oh yes, I really like this new MCP much better, the pushbuttons are like the ones in the other Boeings. Only the newer aircraft (such as this -700 which was delivered this year) have it, all our -800s still have the previous MCP. They work exactly the same though.

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