>while that is true, my point doesnt change.>>Well, you don't have a point, so I suppose that's true.>>That high pitch whine already confirmed to be heard from>the cocpit is not on the Pmdg sound. As already mentioned in>previous posts, one type of sound that cannot be confused by>the human ear are high frequency pitched sounds. While videos>dont TOTALLY capture the sounds they atleast give u an idea of>What sounds are at work at a particular throttle setting. If>you record the sounds from a video or the airplane itself,>shouldn't it sound exactly like the thing you recorded?>>OK, I'll say this in caps to see if you understand it (and to>add emphasis): NOT ALL ENGINES OF THE SAME TYPE SOUND THE>SAME. I'll provide a real-life example:>>I am a fan of the 757-200. I go to the airport on a regular>basis and sit there seeing planes take off and land. I've been>chasing one specific registration AA has on a 757, N620AA. The>aircraft sounded the same as always, very nice and deep (gotta>love RB211's). But then it got maintenance, and it came back>having a loud whine when it spooled up. Some AA757's do it,>some don't. I've been in 738's a lot, some whine. But some>don't. Please, understand this. Just because it's the same>engine type it does not mean it'll sound the same. Does your>car engine sound the same as every other engine of the same>type of car? No. Take it to the mechanic, make some fixes...>The sound might change. The same happens to aircraft.>>I wish someone would explain to me also y the sounds are>the exact copy of a 777 soundset I purchased from aaron>swindle a few years ago. Which is my main point above ne thing>else. Which one out of the two are lying to me?>>Neither, because Aaron Swindle did the sounds from this>aircraft. In any case, I doubt it's identical... >>Now, to the guy who's using an A343 engine and a 735 soundclip>to prove this:>>That's laughable. The 777's engine is a RR, as is the 757's.>Should I compare them? Are they the same engine? Please. Hell,>do the old RB's for the 757 sound the same as the new ones?>>Please guys, stop making an issue out of this. The soundset is>accurate within the large margin of error there is when making>a soundset for an entire aircraft range.>>>Daniel P.>http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/ng_driver.jpg>Member of SJU Photography. [A>HREF=http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?userid=9004]Click>Here[/A] to view my aircraft photos at JetPhotos.Net!>The official psychotic AA painter. :)Maybe now we can start arguing about the smell of the virtual soap in the soap dispenser in the virtual cabin, on the PMDG 737 which I have noticed is not exactly the same as the smell of the soap in a real 737, but in fact, a copy of the soap in an A320 ( I know cause I washed my hands with it) .. Oh what to do, what to do!!!!!!.......... :)

If I may offer my food stampsI think the bottom line here is that PMDG did the best they could with the resources they had and they did a damn good job. Is it perfect? Nothing SIMULATED is. Are some better then others? Maybe, it's all a matter of opinion. I work the 737-800 quite often at my job and I can tell you that it's damn close. If peope want to quivel over the small stuff you'll never be happy. And if you want 100% perfect I suggest visiting Boeing and coughin up 45-70 million for a 737NG and then you'll have perfect sound.Jason Diaz

You ever hear a flaps level noise on a 737 NG before? Can you point to another FS aircraft that had such a noise? Hummm pretty realistic and unique to boot! I guess things could always be better but I would rather tell the guys to worry about the ND line drawing than a certain whine of the engines, but hey that's just my opinion ;D Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/Animation1.gifCaution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)AMD 64 3200+ | NEC LCD 1980SXi 19" | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro |

I like your sarcasm, but its those extremes Im tryin to avoid( on both sides of the spectrum). Will be lookin closely at every respponse on this post, as of now im goin to be unable to post any replies until saturday night/sunday morning so u guys can look out for that if u wish. I will also be looking into this maintenance issue i bit more closely. However I made anearlier point and Im stickin to it, that all turbofan engines produce some form of whine and growl sounds at takeoff power- whether be it pw, ge, or rr. I have a host of professors/pilots at my college with countless years of experience on maintenance and many of the issues discussed in this post, and I ll be questioning them regarding this topic come monday morning and let you guys know what they told me.For now, regardless of how small or large the issue, im bent on saying that all turbofans create- each respectively- the whine and growl sounds as discussed, and can be heard from the a340 series, 735, b744 videos on a340.net and the 739 video on flightlevel350.com.

Hi y'all!Being a very satisfied owner of this great Add-on I must say the only thing NOT realistic about the PMDG 737 is the sound file. But I found a great substitute a while ago. Check Flightsim.com for "pacfm56s" under FS2002 sound. This is actually recorded from an Airbus A320 but these sounds are quite close to the 73NG sound. It made my PMDG 737 experience more realistic/fun than it already was.Hope this helps.....Bj

>I like your sarcasm, but its those extremes Im tryin to>avoid( on both sides of the spectrum). >>Will be lookin closely at every respponse on this post, as of>now im goin to be unable to post any replies until saturday>night/sunday morning so u guys can look out for that if u>wish. I will also be looking into this maintenance issue i bit>more closely. However I made anearlier point and Im stickin to>it, that all turbofan engines produce some form of whine and>growl sounds at takeoff power- whether be it pw, ge, or rr. I>have a host of professors/pilots at my college with countless>years of experience on maintenance and many of the issues>discussed in this post, and I ll be questioning them>regarding this topic come monday morning and let you guys know>what they told me.>>For now, regardless of how small or large the issue, im bent>on saying that all turbofans create- each respectively- the>whine and growl sounds as discussed, and can be heard from the>a340 series, 735, b744 videos on a340.net and the 739 video on>flightlevel350.com.>What "college" might that be, and what is your major?

Maybe some one in the audience with sound-editing know how could produce a sound set for pmdg 73 planes. With all the sound edit tools available today, it could be an interesting project.

I'll be travelling on a -700/800 in a couple of weeks. Maybe I'll take along my tape recorder. Maybe the pilot will let me stick it in the cockpit for the take-off.Maybe they'll kick me off too.

This was said of PIC's sound file too. Mr Phil Ghedds made another sound set for the exact same reasons mentioned by some in this thread. I liked the newer sound set but that's not to say the default ones were lacking, again personal choice. Why not create your own? It's not too difficult. I can tell you that PMDG will not change the sound on the series. They are past the 737 series for now but will keep sound in mind while I aqm flying the beta ;-)Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/Animation1.gifCaution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)AMD 64 3200+ | NEC LCD 1980SXi 19" | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro |

You know, that in flight sim, there are three things that are major in giving "FEELTHERE"!Namely;1.Visual representation2.Aircraft behaviour3.SoundCombined, these things(amongst others), each contribute in a big way to the Immersion factor, or the feeling of realism.Sound has a huge impact, (just try turning your speakers off during a flight and see what I mean).Now, although the Pmdg sim is exceptional in flight dynamics and visuals, I keep going back to Pss, Aerosoft or Ifdg/Pss/Aerosoft merged products. eg; I use the excellent dynamics of the Ifdg A320 merged to the Pss A320 Pro panel then alias the sounds of Aerosft CFM or IAE. Furthermore, I use some groundroll sounds from Fs Nordic/Avsim or whatever and I have a package that is so realistic, that on take-off, my neck hairs stand on end! If I go back into a Pmdg flight, yes, it is superbly visual and accurate, but seems to be lacking that certain someting....(though Pss does have a lot of problems)The reason is that the sound of these creations makes all the diference.Now, if we could add some improved sound to the Pmdg 73, (which currently is a bit sterile)the whole thing would be cataputed into the next dimension and voilla! we have the perfect sim.So, has any one out there tried a few different sounds for Pmdg? If so, was it better or not? If it was good, please let us know.

I have downloaded several movies of 737NG's taking off from flightlevel350.com and they all sound similar. The sound is gorgeous and I only wish it was implemented in PMDG737, of which the sound doesn't come even near it. Yes. suggestions for good sound packages are welcome. Does anyone know the Ariane 737 sound?

FL350.com only has 1 or 2 videos from the flightdeck. The worst thing to do would be to make judge PMDG sounds from low-quality videos taken from behind the engines.

Here is a movie from the flightdeckCheck out the sound.....http://www.atcbox.com/Downloads/Movies/Did...take-off-35.wmv

>You know, that in flight sim, there are three things that are>major in giving "FEELTHERE"!>Namely;>1.Visual representation>2.Aircraft behaviour>3.Sound>>Combined, these things(amongst others), each contribute in a>big way to the Immersion factor, or the feeling of realism.>>Sound has a huge impact, (just try turning your speakers off>during a flight and see what I mean).>>Now, although the Pmdg sim is exceptional in flight dynamics>and visuals, I keep going back to Pss, Aerosoft or>Ifdg/Pss/Aerosoft merged products. >eg; I use the excellent dynamics of the Ifdg A320 merged to>the Pss A320 Pro panel then alias the sounds of Aerosft CFM or>IAE. Furthermore, I use some groundroll sounds from Fs>Nordic/Avsim or whatever and I have a package that is so>realistic, that on take-off, my neck hairs stand on end! If I>go back into a Pmdg flight, yes, it is superbly visual and>accurate, but seems to be lacking that certain>someting....(though Pss does have a lot of problems)>The reason is that the sound of these creations makes all the>diference.>Now, if we could add some improved sound to the Pmdg 73,>(which currently is a bit sterile)the whole thing would be>cataputed into the next dimension and voilla! we have the>perfect sim.>>So, has any one out there tried a few different sounds for>Pmdg? If so, was it better or not? If it was good, please let>us know.Funny that you should mention about the sounds as adding greatly to the realism , since I agree with you about that. I have mentioned a few times on these forums about my latest purchase , FSHotFSX and have yet to read anyone stating that they even tried it. The fun starts when you are firing up the PMDG from Dark and Cold and you hear very realistic AI sounds coming from the AI traffic starting up , taxing by, landing and taking off ( that assumes you have AI traffic at the airport). When you taxi and apply brakes, you hear the brake shoes engage. Parking brake when actuated, makes a realistic sound. All normal sounds, in fact, seem to be enhanced. On take off roll the increasing wind noise as speed picks up sounds real, and much of it goes away as landing gear is retracted. Doppler effects for engine noise as the plane does a flyby in Tower View at Altitude ( one of the effects of the program that I watch over and over again at cruise and landing). Lower the landing gear on approach, close your eyes and you would swear you are in a real aircraft. The list goes on and on. Best under $20 I ever spent on FS. Maybe I am the only one that has tried it :)Much more profound effect on the total experience with FS and PMDG that a "whine", in my opinion.

Hi Bob,I have FSHotFSX already and it is fantastic. The best bit is the sound of wind buffet on the wind shield when going through cloud turbulence(Ihave fsuipc set to give cloud turbulence)and the windrush when putting the spoilers up to reduce speed.I'd reccommend it to all.