Hi all, just wondering if anyone has had a serious look at the Aerowinx PS1.3 simulator? Is the PMDG going to be comparable at all systems wise ie. to be used for currency training if you fly the real thing (as they do with PS) or pretty well a leisure sim?Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the sim will look fantastic as does the B1900D and 737-600/700 which I have, but I wonder about it's accuraceys and system funcionality.Cheers

>Hi all, just wondering if anyone has had a serious look at>the Aerowinx PS1.3 simulator? Is the PMDG going to be>comparable at all systems wise ie. to be used for currency>training if you fly the real thing (as they do with PS) or>pretty well a leisure sim?Use the search button - there was quite a long thread on the subject a few months ago. Search for combination of words like "Aerowinx 747".Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2

Ok, cheers

I use PS1, and severly doubt the PMDG plane will be that close. PS1 is a study sim, and does things that PMDG can't given the limitations of MSFS. The real-time interaction of the systems in PS1 is unparalleled, which is something FS add-ons always fall short on. Most add-ons don't have the logic required to act correctly if things are done out of sequence. Failure modeling in PS1 is great too. Including blown tires if the landing is too rough.Personally, I am SO excited for the PMDG plane however- familiar cockpit and the great visuals of FS and PMDG will make for a winning add-on, even if the systems are less than PS1 (but on par or better than other FS addons).I think they will compliment each other very well, depending on what you're "in the mood for".

I am very curious as to what things you are talking about system wise that flight sim cannot due? Before everyone rushes to judgement lets keep in mind that this project is not a beat PS1 thing. PS1 is not a FAA traniner and is not perfect as some seem to proclaim although it is very very complex as anything this advanced should be, just the fact that people are talking about PMDG's fs add-on in the same light is interesting to say the least. I believe that this will BEAT PS1 in some areas and maybe some areas that really don't matter in flight simming not. But don't let the idea that something that is not 100% in every facet will not be the most advanced sim ever created for flight simulator!! Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/southparkcartmad.gif[h3]PMDG 747![/h3]Caution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)ASUS KV8 DLX | AMD 3200 64 | 1 GIG PC 3200 DDR | GIGABYTE 5700 ULTRA | ViewSonic VP192b 19" |

I read the previous posts by the developers and one of the beta testers.....I dont think the PMDG 747 can be on par with the PS1.3.IMO PMDG are being unrealistic, and creating lots of false expectations. PS1.3 is a stand alone sim and the pmdg 747 has to be developed within the limitations and constraints of msfs.I think the systems can be simulated fairly accuratly (still not as good as the PS1.3) one example is weather radar.The flight dynamics will never ever be as good as the PS1.3 Anyway lets see....Alex

Well Alex *flight dynamics* are an illusion on a computer. That being said, if anyone can hit 744 performance numbers it's EV as the NG shows all to well but that is another story. PS1 costs many more times than this add-on will but I believe anyone who is a DESKTOP simmer will use this and get a better "feel" than PS1. No one believes a tiny little window with atari lines as scenery is *realistic* do they ? ;D Anyway let's wait for the goods before we all get to excited or me excited. Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/southparkcartmad.gif[h3]PMDG 747![/h3]Caution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)ASUS KV8 DLX | AMD 3200 64 | 1 GIG PC 3200 DDR | GIGABYTE 5700 ULTRA | ViewSonic VP192b 19" |

You know how we can find that out??? With some "Screenshots"!!! :-boom :(I have been bussy some while with the NG series but now I'm realy can't wait anymore, eather on the PIC V2 and sertenly the Queen.

I would love to be proved wrong....lets see :-)Alex

Hi guys,Interestingly, a similar discussion was held just a couple of weeks ago at the PS1 forum :-)Although in that case the comparison was more between PMDG737NG and PS1, because at this point it is hard to discuss the PMDG747. The general verdict was that the two are different in a number of respects, are therefore used differently and are thus hard to compare.I would agree. There is no doubt in my mind that the PMDG737 at this point is the benchmark for FS. I have spent a few hours in a KLM 738 level D sim and can truthfully say that through PMDG737 I felt right at home! It is not entirely as complex as PS1, but the feeling of being there is much better.PS1 is more complex system-wise, but your screen hardly looks like a cockpit. To me, if I want to enjoy recreating your average Easyjet flight from Amsterdam to Gatwick I use PMDG737. If I want to spend the weekend sorting out the intricacies of the 747 electrical system, with RW manuals and schematics at hand, I take PS1. Both serve their purpose extremely well.That's not to say I wouldn't like the PMDG747 to be as complex as PS1 though :-)Leo Bakker

>PS1 is more complex system-wise, but your screen hardly looks>like a cockpit. Did they update relatively dated graphics of PS1? When I went to their website I still see the same jagged-lines in AI - there is really no excuse for a simulator priced that high (and free of any MSFS 'limitations') to have graphics from 10 years ago. Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2

Michael,PS1.3 is almost 10 years old, well 7 to be precise. It first came out in 1997 and still is a full DOS-program.

Gents-In fairness to Hardy Heinlin and PS1- That simulator was the first truly sophisticated large aircraft simulator that could be obtained at a reasonable price and run on a common computer.A signifigant number of us spent hundreds of hours learning for the first time about LNAV and VNAV and all the various large aircraft flying techniques that we'd never been required to learn in FS9.If they ever build an "FS Hall of Fame" I hope that a PMDG product will be able to occupy the same space in the "Hall of Ground-Breaking Simulations."Now- keeping that in mind- I am reading a lot of folks tell us what can and cannot be done in terms of modeling within flight simulator. In the 2.5 years since PMDG started developing FS airliner simulations, we have advanced our internal knowledge base so much that there really aren't many things we CAN'T do at this point.There are some things we probably won't do- however... There is a subtle, but distinct difference there. ;-)As the fellow at PMDG who programs the mechanical systems on the airplane, I think it's funny when I read posts from folks who tell me that we can never out-model a simulation like PS1. I wonder "what's the point?"The systems model for the PMDG 747-400 will be, without a doubt the finest that PMDG has ever produced. We have a number of folks consulting to the team who work with this airplane every day, and subtleties like the amount of time a "VALVE" light remains illuminated to how long it takes for the hydraulics to depressurize when the pumps are selected off... They are all accurately modeled.We are spending a significant amount of time on "nuisances" that we introduced or would not resolve in the 737, (like the spoilers) and no effort is being spared to research items that have not be modeled correctly in other simulations up to and including PS1.We are still in alpha testing and development, which is an ongoing process- and we are making very good progress!We have been very tight with sharing any images- as we wanted to be a bit further along than we are currently before starting to share the airplane with the world....No conspiracies, please.... It just that this airplane is our baby- and past experience has led us to feel that showing you the airplane before we feel it's ready to be shown only creates chaos and turmoil. ;-)So- it won't be long before you see more, we hope...

Excelent post, exactly what I was after on the original querey. It seems that the PMDG 744 will be a fantastic model. I think the ability to expand the PFD and ND to a viewable sive is just the bees knees.Here's to hoping it is released soon and that I can get a system grunty enough to run it on.On another unrelated question...Does anyone run FS9 on a widescreen monitor? I'm assuming that with the constraints of a cockpit surrounding you would have to run the sim in a window on the desktop to keep it with the correct perspective?Cheers

Wow Robert,I'm excited. Thanks for the update.