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747-400 Manual? Print it and 'll pay, happily !

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Just a note to state that if PMDG is thinking about some extra revenues for the 744, I'll happily pay $10 to $25 extra for a nicely produced, bound operating manual of The Queen when it's launched. I've spent far more than this just printing out the manuals for the NG series alone (prolly cost me $60 to $90 in B&W and color deskjet cartridges).Dunno if this is a minority view, but if you multiply this by, say, 3000 customers prepared to pony up extra for a manual, this might be an attractive proposition.Jonathan

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Guest champiano

That is a fair point Jonathan because I use a deskjet printer aswell and it is obviously better to have the manuals in your hand instead of being stored away in your hard drive.Denis Allen

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Dear Vin:Wonderful news, thanks for posting. It would be a beautiful New Year season "present" if you decided to do it.Cheers!JS

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Guest ingebj

Hello,Agree! I would gladly purchase a proper manual for sale!Cheers,

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I recently thought I would go first class with the Concorde manuals by taking the files to Fedex/Kinko's and having them printed two-sided on 3-hole paper in color. The cost would have been 75 cents per side -- $1.50 per page!! So, a 100 pages of Concorde manuals would have cost $75. I don't know how many total pages there are in the Concorde manuals, but I think there are more than 100. I would be glad to pay $25 to PSS for a printed manual.

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Guest phorovsky

HelloWould be delighted to pay for a printed manual!! Let's hold thumbs!Greetingspaul

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Guest psaul

Mark me as another one who would buy a printed manual for any plane you make.

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Guest Erups

Men i don't know where you live, but here in italy with all the regression and nasty things in our economy, in a copy store we pay just 25c for a face.Copy (ie you have a paper and want a copy) go fo 10c a face.And that is already too much as we were used to pay the euqivalent of 5c before the EURO.

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>pay $10 to $25 extra You are cheap !Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2

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Guest Callmecapt

Cheap? Why? You realise there are people out there who don't make much money. Me personally, I can have the manual printed, bound and presented for absolutely nothing. A relative works in a printing factory and he has printed all my manuals. Very good quality I mmust say. The best solution...offer a downloadable version as well as a Bound version for sale.RegardsGoran

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>You realise there are people out there who>don't make much money. I do realize. And for such folks there is no better option than having manual in the electronic form and then only print those pages that are used most often.If PMDG can arrange for a professionaly printed (and bound) manual for the 747 in the $10-$25 price range then more power to them but I think it won't be easy.Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2

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Guest nattydread

I would also like manuals for my PMDG models, but i also understand that $25 sounds too low. I think we should realistically consider $50-75 dollars. I'd cartainbly pay $50 for one...$75 if its its color where applicable.It looks like I'll be doing my own though. After ink and having Kinkos bound them, I think it'll cost about $40.

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Hmm, I think that's getting rather too expensive. I am thinking about small size manuals, say, 9 by 6 inches, not great big productions from Kinko's that fit into a whacking great binder that you buy at OFFICE DEPOT. At Kinko's, you pay as a single consumer for expensive, high quality color copy that has a production cost far higher than a big print publisher. That's not what I am suggesting.PSS produced lovely little manuals for their 777s and 747-400 years ago of small dimensions and didn't charge an arm and a leg for them. If manuals are produced in fairly large numbers and bundled with the product, I'd say $50-75 is a very hefty price. The object of buying hard copy manuals from a sim developer would be to benefit from their production economies of scale and to purchase the manuals at a price that is attractive for the end-user. You can buy some real second-hand and FMC Boeing manuals on the net for $75 or less and those would be hundreds of pages of heavily technical matter.Well, look, the purpose of my post was not to propose a price and tell PMDG how to do anything; it was to raise an idea and throw out a couple of numbers to show what I'd be prepared to pay and what many folks I've spoken to seem to think is an attractive range. I don't think it serves much benefit for us users to post something like "Hey, that's far too cheap. Charge much more" ! Jonathan

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>>You realise there are people out there who>>don't make much money. >>I do realize. And for such folks there is no better option>than having manual in the electronic form and then only print>those pages that are used most often.>>If PMDG can arrange for a professionaly printed (and bound)>manual for the 747 in the $10-$25 price range then more power>to them but I think it won't be easy.>>Michael J.>WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB>Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2No offense Michael, but your "cheap" post sounded a little condescending.To some people, $25 is a lot of money, yet to others, it's a drop in the ocean.The web has a weird way of coming across as a misinterpretation of what is said. A joke can be taken seriously and vice versa.Whatever price they decide on, I'm sure it'll be fair. It's no good everyone here throwing figures at them.I'm quite happy to pay for a manual...whether or not I think it's worth it, going by screenshots, description, etc... is another matter. Let's all just wait and see.:-wave RegardsGozza

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Yeah, 50 or more is an awful lot. That would be like buying the NG all over again. I'm not sure how much the 747 will be, but if it's even 75 or more I might have to save some change. I will buy it regardless, and I'm the farthest from cheap there is. I throw money away like it's going to expire any day now, but right now I don't make a lot. Personally, regardless of the add-on price, I hope us who would gladly pay for a printed manual are still given the downloadable to learn from since the mail takes a while. I kinda doubt the manual will be done before the plane is close to being released, simply because you have to structure the manual around the functions/features included.So yes, I'd be interesting in a printed manual for sure if it's reasonably priced, and I can still get my DL version in case I can't buy both at once. If not, then I'll just print them! :)

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I am one of the lucky few who has access to a very good and, free to use (not officially of course) colour laser printer at work. I used it for the 737 and bound it myself, it was an ok job, but......I would much sooner pay for a real quality 'official' PMDG manual any day. It would also save a lot of lunchtimes on the hole punch at work too !!Very Best Wishes to all PMDGEddy Nichol:-sun1

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Guest Erups

I would like to remind you all that, in the golden videogame era, when games were sold in peperboard boxed, every game had printed manuals.Great games (Lucasart's X-Wing, Ocean's TFX) had huge printed manuals in the boxes, and all was sold for the same 60/70$ we now pay for a dvd jewel case with no manual.Sure prices have got higher, but when you do things in great numbers, prices have remained decent all over the world.So i think that 70$ for a printed manual is just a heck of a lot!I would surely spend less printing it myself in a copy store.

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I agree. The main difference is these games you mention are put out by huge companies that are saving a lot of coin by not giving us a manual anymore. Believe me when I say I hate not getting a manual anymore with any software. I think it's crap for a huge corporation like Microsoft or Electronic Arts to give us nothing printed. Even when they do it's a simple installation instruction sheet and maybe a few key commands for the game. It's a scam IMO. The difference here is that PMDG is not a large company capable of giving us a manual for next to nothing. The best they could hope for would be a discount for printing a bulk amount and saving that way. If they lose any money doing so , then it's not worth it. That's why I say a reasonable price would be acceptable by all parties.

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>I'm the farthest from cheap there is.> I throw money away like it's going to expire any>day now, oh good.... Can i Have Some? :-rollTehe"Lairy" Liam Reynolds

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End of last year, there was a company in the UK that made - with the approval of both developer and publisher - luxury colour manuals for the Lock-On game. This luxury version was some 25 Pounds (approx. 38 USD at the time) excluding shipping. I think they were moderately successful - they made a small profit.More info at http://www.lomac-manual.com

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