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Hi All: OK. Be honest anyone here actually have a midair collision (that was not intentional)with an AI aircraft? If not, how close was your closest call? Mine was flying into Charlotte NC a ways back. I was on an IFR flight plan in VFR conditions (luckly!) I was given a vector to intercept the LOC. by MS's wonderful ATC :-hah. Fortunately I was listening the the other radio calls and I heard another plane cleared to land stright in. I looked out the co-pilot side window and there it was. It was huge! And had JETS (I was in the C-172)! To this day I don't know what kind of A/C it was (I was too busy diving)! But that was my close call!Aynone else?Mark McLeroy

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I didn't think that wake turbulance or Jet blasts were recreated in FS2K2? Anyone else have this happen to them?Mark McLeroy

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I got hit by a learjet from behind. I was landing my Cessna 172 on an ILS approach into KSNA when poof stupid AI LearJet flew right through me on the ILS glideslope. I was using ATC and everything. Ii was probably a bug...-Ian Neubert

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I had one cross in front of me close enough to read the registrationwhile flying at cruse altitude.

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Hi Ian: Yea definitly a bug. More than once I landed on a runway just to have an AI fly over my head and land in front off me. I try to get of the runway A.S.A.P..

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>I didn't think that wake turbulance or Jet blasts were >recreated in FS2K2? Anyone else have this happen to them? >>Mark McLeroy I didn't think so either, but I was at FL and a 757 crossed right in front me, I would say closer than 1/10 of mile. Messed up my auto pilot, sent me down several thousand feet. I was flying at 4X speed so maybe that had something to do with it.

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I was chasing a Jumbo Jet in the T-38 the other night and got a little close, lost temporary control and crossed over within 100 feel of the top of the jet. Could hear the loud roar of the Jumbo's engines as I did. Tried to do a playback and then remembered that M$FS does not playback the AI. Bummer!Looked really cool as I was behind the Jumbo and we crossed the 30,000 foot mark and the contrails kicked in. What fun!

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I was reaching crusing altitude one time when all of a sudden I was hit in the side by a default 737. That's the only time it's happened ever since I've had FS2002.

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I've seen two close calls, one myself, one both AI :) Both at Paris-CDG!1. I was flyin' my Jaco Du Preez painted POSKY BA 777 in an 'Animals & Trees' tail from London-Heathrow to Paris-CDG. I landed smoothly and went on a roll down the runway. There were two planes behind me on approach, a PAI Air France A320 & a default SIA 744. The PAI plane retraced gear just before reaching the runway and went for a go-around. But the SIA plane landed and came within a few meters of me and took off again! :D Pic:http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d3d06484d65111a.jpg2. Was sittin' around idle at Paris watching the busy default AI (this was before Project AI) in the morning. There were three planes on approach, Finnair MD80 no1, United King Air no2, and Iberia 734 no3. A Malaysian jumbo had landed and was on the runway so the Finnair MD80 went around. The 747 then got off the runway. Then both birds came on approach, the Iberia smashed right into the King Air!BTW these are not actually midairs, but at least close calls ;) http://212.212.159.238/svedude/imagesP/sqcoasig.jpg

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Hi,Never been hit, but I've had several close calls :-eekLast time was in my POSKY/PIC SAS 767 PANC-KMIA 21jul02. Was flying real weather and FSMETEO. From the winds I figured RWY 09R in use and planned for that. On descent, ATC gave vectors for 09R, however ATIS said active RWY 27L :-zhelpTrue enough: Landing config, 2000 ft AGL, TWR: "Cleared for ILS 27L".Hit TOGA, and then: A B777 taking off from 27L suddenly filled more and more of my windscreen!!! Distance max 500 ft, as it passed over me. That was MIGHTY close!BRGDSSven Sorensen, EKCH

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Got rammed from behind (I know - sounds a bit dodgy!) the other day by a PAI 737 whilst on final at Heathrow in a posky 747! I was bummed (excuse the pun) big time as I had just flown all the way from Los Angeles!Boone

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They are kinda floating above the wingtips! :-lolWolfgang

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I've not been hit... Yet.I've had several instances of AI aircraft told, "Cleared to land. Number two for landing. Follow the Baron on final." I went a little low on the glideslope and had MD80s and B744s scream over the top of me.A couple of days ago, I had something scream right over the cabin of my King Air at FL310 at what can only be called an outrageous closing speed.I'm waiting to be run down... Maybe I should just start flying fast movers again.

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Ohhhhh Yeahhhhh!6/22/02 Airbus A-300-600-F FedEx flight 301. While on final approach at Memphis Intl. a Learjet 45 flying about 15 kts faster than my A-300 hit the aircraft straight in from the tail section. A-300 suffered an engine out condition but was able to land safely. Learjet? Well! Sorry about their luck!Sincerely,Dennis D. Mullert

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With AI turned up to almost past real world levels, I have seen a lot of strange and/or dangerous things happen between AI planes, but I have been careful enough to not be hit myself (although I admit that I sometimes delete potential conflict AI planes with AI View).This is my closest call. I managed to pull up and avoid him, with ATC screaming a little that I was at the wrong altitude. :-rollhttp://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d3d545b551d65bd.jpgMartin767 fetishistIt's a lot like life and that's what's appealing

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I was tail chasing some aircraft around O'Hare yesterday in the T-38, I was shadowing a Delta 737 on finals when he had to overshoot. I followed him and he headed north west at no more than 1500 ASL. I carried on tailing him for over 150 miles and he just kept on going without climbing. He was still going when I ran out of fuel and made a glide approach into a conveniently situated airfield!Oh for a couple of 20mm cannons!Tim

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I've recently observed all kindsa crazy on the ground after installing some supposedly add-on gates in hope PAI would work better. At EGLL I witnessed two planes that are eternally at the gate stuck in each other's wings. Not to mention when I was sitting in the middle of the taxiway getting things in order (in a Cessna), I almost got sandwiched between a 747 and an A300, I believe. I moved out of their way fearing for my itty bitty virtual life, and what happens? The two planes stare each other down for a bit, and run over each other turning onto the taxiway."Artificial intelligence is no replacement for natural stupidity," wasn't it said?Kenneth

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i was in a hfg dc-8 in california and got hit by a cessna :( it clipped the left wing. I held on to for 15 secs then went straight into the ground. :(

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Never ever..... Keep your eyes and ears open and get out of the way cos they sure as heck won't..... I run ATC at 33% which helps above that and you get problems.:-)Pete

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OK. Well it seems that the majority of midairs we are in seem to be us getting hit from the rear! Which seems to be an AI problem because it is hard to image a pilot not being able to avoid a midair if he is heading for a plane stright on in good visibility (unless he/she just is not looking out the window for an extended period of time. On the other hand, as for us who get rear ended, it would be very dificult for us to avoid the crash because it is almost impossible for us to see the plane comming at us from that direction (unless we got tiped off from ATC or something).As for those of us who were in a midair and NOT hit from the rear, did it make you stop and think "What if I was not in the sim"???Thanks for the replys.Mark McLeroy

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It happened to me. Here is my post mortum pirep from the incident:Well....I'm dead! I thought I would fly the DC-3 around the patch last night just to keep my feet wet. That was not such a good idea! Being it was late afternoon and a Sunday, there isn't much traffic around, so I didn't use radios. Well, all was going good. Nice taxi and takeoff. Great climb and big DC-3 pattern. Flying in the downwind I was looking for inbound traffic. Nothing spotted. Turned base and still watching for traffic. Nothing spotted. Just before turning final I looked one more time to my left for inbound traffic. All clear. GREAT! Rolled out from base to final on the money. all lined up. Looking at red and white on the vasi. 100kts, full flaps, holding my angle just fine. slowing to 95kts and about 200' from the end of the runway, about 100' in the air. All looking so good. BANG!!! The airplane actually shook and stopped! I looked out the window and saw a Lear go by! The DC-3 was crippled so bad, it fell straight down, no glide at all. DOA! Lesson learned. RADIOS ALL THE TIME at Bethel!Don

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