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Carl,would it be possible for you to post a screenshot of a "wide screen" 2d version of the cockpit. Would like to know what teh wide screen cockpit looks like in 2d mode compared to the standard (4:3) cockpit.Thank you

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DONE! Check it out! It's quick and dirty- so the MCDU and FCP are NOT set correctly!Best-Carl F. Avari-Cooper BAW0225http://online.vatsimindicators.net/980091/523.png| XP Pro SP3 with FS-GS System Unification | 2 x APC UPS | Coolermaster Stacker 830 SE | Asus P5E-Deluxe (X48) | e8500 @ 4gHz | Tuniq Tower 120 | EVGA 8800GT 512MB | Sony 40" Bravia XBR | 2 x 1 GB Corsair XMS2 | 500GB Seagate Barracuda 32MB SATA2 x2 (Acronis) | Corsair HX620W PS | CH Products Yoke-Pedals-Throttle Quadrant | Aerosoft 747MCP-EFIS-EICAS |

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Thx, that was quick!!Looks awsome...if you would have just one at daylight...god bless you ;-)

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Day Shots available!Yes, read my specs below and you will see the reason for the resolution ;).Best-Carl F. Avari-Cooper BAW0225http://online.vatsimindicators.net/980091/523.png| XP Pro SP3 with FS-GS System Unification | 2 x APC UPS | Coolermaster Stacker 830 SE | Asus P5E-Deluxe (X48) | e8500 @ 4gHz | Tuniq Tower 120 | EVGA 8800GT 512MB | Sony 40" Bravia XBR | 2 x 1 GB Corsair XMS2 | 500GB Seagate Barracuda 32MB SATA2 x2 (Acronis) | Corsair HX620W PS | CH Products Yoke-Pedals-Throttle Quadrant | Aerosoft 747MCP-EFIS-EICAS |

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Carl, know what I asked in the previous thread? You done it! Marvelous! Great job, seems like you guys are relieved to show off this piece of artwork!! (I'll stay tuned, can't I just subscribe to your threads or something :(?) Anyway, also bookmarking the picassa album.Best regards, Joey, and now off to bed!

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Is there a chance we could see shots of the virtual cockpit from standing behind the pilots' seats? Also, if it is modelled, could we see some shots of the passenger cabin areas? Finally, has PMDG modelled the ability to open cockpit windows, such as the window by each pilots' shoulder?

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A MD11 British Airwauys? that fake! :(Personally I think that the addon does not meet the characteristics of today. The panel is ugly, is poor and does not bring weather radar, something indispensable for flights of this plane.Besides a lot of images and video and little plane. That is nonsense and we stop and take out, but by then the MD11 not fly.Bad work PMDG

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>A MD11 British Airwauys? that fake! :(>>Personally I think that the addon does not meet the>characteristics of today. The panel is ugly, is poor and does>not bring weather radar, something indispensable for flights>of this plane.>>Besides a lot of images and video and little plane. That is>nonsense and we stop and take out, but by then the MD11 not>fly.>>Bad work PMDG Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but with regard to the 'ugly' panel, it looks just like the panel in the real MD-11, so you can't blame PMDG for that now can you?As for 'That is nonsense and we stop and take out, but by then the MD11 not fly.' you may be better off not buying the MD-11 and spending the money on English lessons instead ;-)

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Dear Cury (?):Please at least use your full name- forum rules.I suppose I ought to just thank you for your opinion, but I cannot help thinking that we as a forum would be better off requiring at least some minimum standards from our posters.The benefit from postings such as yours, is that they speak volumes about the poster. Do have a particularly lovely day!Best-Carl F. Avari-Cooper BAW0225http://online.vatsimindicators.net/980091/523.png| XP Pro SP3 with FS-GS System Unification | 2 x APC UPS | Coolermaster Stacker 830 SE | Asus P5E-Deluxe (X48) | e8500 @ 4gHz | Tuniq Tower 120 | EVGA 8800GT 512MB | Sony 40" Bravia XBR | 2 x 1 GB Corsair XMS2 | 500GB Seagate Barracuda 32MB SATA2 x2 (Acronis) | Corsair HX620W PS | CH Products Yoke-Pedals-Throttle Quadrant | Aerosoft 747MCP-EFIS-EICAS |

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>Dear Cury (?):>>Please at least use your full name- forum rules.>>I suppose I ought to just thank you for your opinion, but I>cannot help thinking that we as a forum would be better off>requiring at least some minimum standards from our posters.>>The benefit from postings such as yours, is that they speak>volumes about the poster. Do have a particularly lovely day!>>Best->Carl F. Avari-Cooper BAW0225>http://online.vatsimindicators.net/980091/523.png>| XP Pro SP3 with FS-GS System Unification | 2 x APC UPS |>Coolermaster Stacker 830 SE | Asus P5E-Deluxe (X48) | e8500 @>4gHz | Tuniq Tower 120 | EVGA 8800GT 512MB | Sony 40" Bravia>XBR | 2 x 1 GB Corsair XMS2 | 500GB Seagate Barracuda 32MB>SATA2 x2 (Acronis) | Corsair HX620W PS | CH Products>Yoke-Pedals-Throttle Quadrant | Aerosoft 747MCP-EFIS-EICAS |Ok,I

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>Of course, PMDG was never famous for its used and photoreal>panel design - but for its system depth, perfiormance and>overall quality. And that counts (at least in my opinion).That's my opinion too, I couldn't agree more. A photoreal panel with an unadequate FDE and buggy gauges are garbage as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure PMDG has it's reasons for doing things the way they have up till now.As for the weather radar, well if it isn't going to work as in RW due to FS limitations then I could very well do without it. (personal opinion of course). If PMDG didn't include it there has to be a reason. Maybe in a future service pack, who knows?I do respect everyone's point of view but it's kind of late for debating the panel right now isn't it?Best regards

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PMDG MD11 panels look fine to mois...and AFAIK FSX doesn't model weather radar anyhow. Carry on.

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>If you think Captain Sim is of higher quality than PMDG, then>you really do have bad taste. Really bad taste! PMDG and>Level-D are the two best groups making FS aircraft addons out>there and I reckon that PMDG is slightly better than Level-D>but not by much. Captain Sim doesn't come close to either of>those groups - waaaaaaayyyyy down near the bottom of the>list.>>Having said that - any chance of getting a look at shots that>I requested in my previous post please? Perhaps different>perspectives of the VC and some shots of the virtual passenger>cabin (if modelled) would be great as I don't recall seeing>any of those in particular yet.Sorry. But for the moment, 757 have a more realism & systems simulated what 747& 737 PMDG. (I

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If you think Captain Sim is of higher quality than PMDG, then you really do have bad taste. Really bad taste! PMDG and Level-D are the two best groups making FS aircraft addons out there and I reckon that PMDG is slightly better than Level-D but not by much. Captain Sim doesn't come close to either of those groups - waaaaaaayyyyy down near the bottom of the list.Having said that - any chance of getting a look at shots that I requested in my previous post please? Perhaps different perspectives of the VC and some shots of the virtual passenger cabin (if modelled) would be great as I don't recall seeing any of those in particular yet.

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Dont feed the trolls ;-) BTW: It is a bad style to compare shots from different perspectives. Furthermore, the last reference pic was edited...Of course, PMDG was never famous for its used and photoreal panel design - but for its system depth, perfiormance and overall quality. And that counts (at least in my opinion). Best regards,Jens

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I was able to upload the screen shots to Picasa- hope the quality is better now!http://picasaweb.google.com/cavaricooperBest-Carl F. Avari-Cooper BAW0225http://online.vatsimindicators.net/980091/523.png| XP Pro SP3 with FS-GS System Unification | 2 x APC UPS | Coolermaster Stacker 830 SE | Asus P5E-Deluxe (X48) | e8500 @ 4gHz | Tuniq Tower 120 | EVGA 8800GT 512MB | Sony 40" Bravia XBR | 2 x 1 GB Corsair XMS2 | 500GB Seagate Barracuda 32MB SATA2 x2 (Acronis) | Corsair HX620W PS | CH Products Yoke-Pedals-Throttle Quadrant | Aerosoft 747MCP-EFIS-EICAS |

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Alberto,Just posting a picture with the copyright info is not the only thing you must do. The following is an excerpt taken from the Airliners copyright notice;"The digital photos on this site are licensed to Airliners.net. They are equipped with a footer with copyright and license information and also carry an invisible watermark. If you receive permission from the photographer to use a particular photo, you may use a copy from Airliners.net as long as you inform us of the usage as to avoid misunderstandings (we do not appreciate and react strongly when finding our photos on other sites that use them without permission). We do however advise that you get a new copy of the photo directly from the photographer that does not carry our license and watermark"Since you did not include any info from the photographer or Airliners.net granting permission to use the photo, it was removed.

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I won't feed the trolls but I will say this.If you don't like it, don't buy it!I'm sure PMDG will go on with 1 less customer.Goran

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>I won't feed the trolls but I will say this.>If you don't like it, don't buy it!>I'm sure PMDG will go on with 1 less customer.>Goran>Troll? sorry, your comment is typically of a child...only expressed my opinion of this. And you don

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>I wish on the future PMDG products get better and more>realistI'm not going to comment on the visual artwork as that is far too subjective and varies among a person's individual tastes.Some people want clean-looking, functional panels (what PMDG has elected to go with for the MD-11). Some people want battered looking photorealistic panels. Having used a variety of payware products over the years, for me the visual model is purely secondary. Ultimately you are flying the plane and FS doesn't care what your visual model looks like. What it cares about are a good flight model and good gauges for the user to do what he wants the aircraft to do with the information he is presented with. What do you think took so long to make? The panel artwork? It's looked like that for years and that's how I want it to look. Anyone who knows and appreciates Bill Grabowski's artwork style knows what I am talking about. The visual model? Having created a few aircraft visual models myself, I can tell you that it's not that big of a deal. Most people end up looking at the aircraft once in awhile in cruising or they like to take lots of screenshots for the AVSIM screenshot forum. Still, a visual model with a poor flight model is long the bane of FS users and has caused much gnashing of teeth. What took so long was the vast amount of code to make the MD-11's systems behave as they should, to make the aircraft fly as it should. You have to take a few thousand pages worth of documentation and translate it into code FS will understand. How many man hours did it take Honeywell to program the MD-11's FMS? PMDG has pretty much had to replicate the entire thing. When it comes to realism on that level, you will not even approach more realism than the PMDG MD-11 without the aid of a multi-million dollar 3-axis simulator.So you're going to have to excuse me when I do not sympathize with folks who have some problems with how the artwork looks. I understand folks are going to be paying good money for this, but looks get old after awhile. In the end it's the system's overall functionality and the fastidious amount of real-world detail that users can accomodate with the PMDG MD-11 that will get them to fire up FS one more time to fly it.

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As one of the Graphic Designers I like to think it's my liveries that sell all of our planes. That's what drives our customers to purchase our offerings, but really, visuals are just the icing on the cake. Without the work of Rob, Dr. Vangelis, Lefteris, Bill(Bob), Marc, Vin and Michael you guys wouldn't care what the planes look liked.I agree. It's the Meat and Potatoes, chaps, not the Bread Pudding that fills the belly ;-)

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