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is there any fuel calculator can be used for MD11

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i'm looking for a fuel calculator,i want to know how much fuel will be used for the flight,is there anybody know?

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As Steve Says:Use the FMS. It's probably about the most accurate way of doing it for now. In the FMS manual, the bottom of page FMS.10.24and onwards, Should get you started.CheersPaul


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Using the FMS is NOT fine, some of you miss the point for those of us who like to use FSC or FSB to completely PRE plan our routes.I am no programmer. So I wish someone could whip up a fuel planner akin to what we have for the 744x and the LDS 763.

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There are a couple good 744x ones, just not for the 744f and there is a very good one for the lds 763, but the fms works fine. I don't want to buy fsc because I already have fsb, but I rather use other planners, that one just does not seem right, but it prob. works also.


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Hi Chris:Like you, i like to pre-plan my route properly. To do that i use Flight Operations Centre from Danur. (www.danur.com) i think. One of the Danur guys used to be a Flight Dispatcher for Swissair on the MD11's and as a result it is currently the only flight planning software that comes close to any form of accuracy with regards PMDG's MD11 fuel burn performance. With the best will in the world; FSB and FSC will NOT allow you to preplan your route correctly, unless you have real world charts available to you. FSB and FSC DO NOT alert you to one-way airways, and they will not necessarily take into Account JAR and FAR Ops. So please dont lecture us about planning a route properly. Likewise, the fuel and weather performance can, at best, be considered 'approximate'. and they will certainly not take into account a number of route options to take advantage of the most favourable winds aloft.In the absence of any hard data in the form of detailed Performance Charts, as has already been dissussed due to Boeings denial of permission to release them, nobody will be creating an accurate fuel planner. The only way at present to accurately calculate fuel, as your original question requested, is to use the FMC.To answer your question a little more precisely howver,A Detailed standalone fuel planner does not exist for the PMDG MD11, in the meantime, most of us find that the FMS interface provides a perfectly acceptable, and very accurate alternative.CheersPaul


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So please>dont lecture us>PaulOh I'll lecture you, Paul, and you'll like it too. ;)Seriously, thanx for info and the DP link, I was aware of the app but have not seriously looked at, will re-examine it.EDIT: Om my...FOC is pricey, very pricey...is it "worth it" when compared to FSB or FSC?

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>FSB and FSC DO NOT alert you to one-way airways, and they willJust to clarify a bit, FSB will display one-way airways. When you ctrl-leftclick an airway, the pink arrows dictate the direction of travel along that path. Now, how accurate or up-to-date this information is, is definitly open to discussion.


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Hi Chris;I stand corrected on the Airways front in FSB. As for the 'priceyness' of the software, yes it is!I do consider it a massive improvement, But the manuals are pants and take a bit of getting your head around, and it is a complicated add on with a steep learning curve.Here is todays FPL for my EGKK/KJFK tripSTART OF COMPANY FLIGHTPLAN BAW2173 08.11.07 EGKKKJFK.001 SEQ002 RLS000 AIRCRAFT B744-RB21-BAW STD 15.30Z ATD ..... ABN ..... TYPE GBYGE STA 22.50Z T/D ..... ATA ..... ROUTE INFORMATION: CREW INFORMATION: DIST 3139 TRACK INDEX 104 DISP: Paul Smith /.................. ESAD 3432 COMPONENT H037 PIC: Paul Smith /.................. CRSM NCR CLIMB NCL FUEL CALCULATION: ALL IN TO WEIGHT/FUEL BREAK DOWN: ALL IN TO BIAS 1060 ZFW 242.1 246.1 TAXI 1.00 TOF 93.0 173.5 KJFK 78.98 06.53 TOW 335.1 396.9 RR20 3.95 00.21 TIF 79.0 KEWR* 3.80 00.10 FL020 LW 256.1 285.8 FR 5.50 00.30 REM 14.0 CF 0.80 00.30 HF 0.80 00.30 AIRPORTS: ALL IN TO MIN 94.83 08.54 ADD 0.00 ACT 93.98 NOTES :- Fuel Bias rised to 1060- CALCULATED 1ST ALTERNATE ONLY- UWX DATA FILES IN USE : 20081107.12U / 20081107.18U- STOPS/EROPS NOT CALCULATEDRTE VIA : KENE2M-KENET / UL9-STU / UM17-DUB / UL975-DEVOL / DCT-KORIB / DCT-RESNO / NAT_F-VALIE / N240C-TOPPS / ENE4-ENE / (I31L-CHANT)DIST 3139 GCI 104 CP H037 ESAD 3432 CRSM NCR FLIGHT PROFILE :STU/F320 - KORIB/F310 - RESNO/F320 - 5620N/F330 - TOPPS/F360[FF]FLIGHTPLAN: AWY POS FREQ FL MT DIST TME ATO ETO ETA EET FUEL FOB RFU ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ EGKK 0.00 ..../..../..../0.00 0.00 /.....92.98KENE2M MID 114.00 F040 254 017.3 0.03 ..../..../..../00.03 1.11 /.....91.87KENE2M KENET F140 315 041.9 0.06 ..../..../..../00.09 3.58 /.....89.41UL9 BASET F160 289 009.9 0.01 ..../..../..../00.10 4.11 /.....88.87UL9 DIKAS F290 287 059.1 0.09 ..../..../..../00.19 7.40 /.....85.58* TOC STU D-058 UL9 STU 113.10 F320 287 067.3 0.09 ..../..../..../00.28 9.31 /.....83.67UM17 PEMOB F320 337 010.0 0.01 ..../..../..../00.29 9.55 /.....83.43UM17 VATRY F320 338 027.6 0.03 ..../..../..../00.32 10.13 /.....82.85UM17 DUB 114.90 F320 339 063.8 0.07 ..../..../..../00.39 11.48 /.....81.50UL975 RINUS F320 286 049.1 0.06 ..../..../..../00.45 12.61 /.....80.37UL975 DEVOL F320 285 099.5 0.11 ..../..../..../00.56 14.90 /.....78.08DCT KORIB F310 293 093.0 0.12 ..../..../..../01.08 17.07 /.....75.91DCT RESNO F320 314 082.8 0.10 ..../..../..../01.18 19.10 /.....73.88NAT_F 5620N F330 301 180.4 0.22 ..../..../..../01.40 23.39 /.....69.60NAT_F 5730N F330 298 336.6 0.40 ..../..../..../02.20 31.26 /.....61.73NAT_F 5740N F330 293 326.9 0.43 ..../..../..../03.03 39.35 /.....53.63NAT_F 5650N F330 285 336.6 0.51 ..../..../..../03.54 48.82 /.....44.16NAT_F SCROD F330 273 217.0 0.36 ..../..../..../04.30 55.27 /.....37.71NAT_F VALIE F330 260 099.8 0.17 ..../..../..../04.47 58.17 /.....34.81N240C TOPPS F360 245 621.8 1.15 ..../..../..../06.02 71.11 /.....21.88ENE4 ENE 117.10 F360 247 168.7 0.20 ..../..../..../06.22 74.46 /.....18.52* TOD ZACHS D-134 I31L ZACHS 020 235 218.0 0.31 ..../..../..../06.53 76.98 /.....16.01 KJFK 0.00 ..../..../..../06.53 78.98 /.....14.00[FF]WAYPOINTS AND WINDS : ENROUTEICAO FREQ LATITUDE LONGITUDE MAG WD


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Vewry informative, thanx Paul...now I have to decide between FOC or Steel Beasts Pro SE ($125)...dang it...where's the lottery when I need it?

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Paul,seems that i have no choice to release one day a RR profile for 744 ...!!! has you re using some aircraft with that combos ...!!!Phil

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LOL:Hi Phil...I think you're going to have to hehehe. All the BAW's are RB211's so that kind of limits my scope hehehe.CheersPaul


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What about the airacs for that FOC :( isnt it like almost nil updates for it ... not what I would call a full planner really.

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Monthly AIRACS available. But they dont come cheap as they are exactly the same as realworld airlines use. CheersPaul


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So what's the problem exactly with FSB. Granted the FSB version is PW. But for the past 10 flights I have been updating my FSB database to match PMDG. This includes the actual weights at which the FMC commands a step climb, burn biases, fuel policies etc etc.I have now come to a point where after a 10 hour flight, my actual fuel is within 1.000 kilo's of flight plan fuel......always. Many times withing 300 KG. Free AIRACS.....what else do you want.Regards,Xander


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