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"Yes, they are: to really incredible women!"LOL! I'll have to remember that one, Daryl...I'm loving that Autopilot module, kiek...

HiI have came up with an idea to make a clipboard on the CH yoke. I bought a Jeppessen metal kneeboard and straped it on to the yoke. It's pretty sturdy! My next flight is Saturday out of Atlanta, so I'll take a pic when everything is set up. pwapilot

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Hello,here are some pictures of my cockpit, running with 1 PC and 4 monitors. All switches I usually need with PIC, are working.Sorry for the large size of the fotos, but I don't know, how to make them smaller!Tony

Tony!Exactly _HOW_ did you extract overhead switch (plus other) data from the older version 1 PIC767 ???I have lived under the assumption that it is, plain and simple, impossible without the needed SDK's.a puzzled 757 cockpit builder,Tero

Man I have the same questions as TERO, and by the way AMAZING PROJECT!! Man it is incredible what you have done Outstanding project!! The Simavionics throttle quad might make your PIC sim perfect take care and let us know.Roberto

Hi Tony,Nice to hear from you again! It's really amazing what you have achieved! Like Teropa I'm also very interested in how you manage to get information about the internal variables of PIC767, out of the sim..Are you still using Key2mouse for your FMC? I have found a way to generate the key-combinations by the KE72, have a look at my website, FMC page.By the way, there are several ways to reduce the size of a jpeg file. An easy one goes like this: In windows, open the jpeg file in MS-Paint, choose Image, Stretch/Skew, Stretch and choose for horizontal as well as vertical the same percentage, and push OK. Job one, much easier then building a cockpit like yours ;-) Regards,Nicowww.nicokaan.nl

Hi guys. None of this is impossible. We (and others) have been doing this for over 2 years with Epic. On a sperate note, were now programming rough air into the simulator. When we encounter rough air, Epic will trigger the transducers (shakers) mounted underneath our seats.

OK, rough air can come from an external weather program and the details made available via FSUIPC.But: the state of the (e.g.) anti-ice switches is an internal PIC affair, and to the best of my knowledge up until now nobody was able to read these variables. Are you saying that you can read these internal PIC variables as well? If so, please tell us (I know there are more people waiting for this info) how.Kind regards,Stephan Haaswww.lemont.nl/b767flightdeckhttp://www.pic767flyingclub.com/images/sas544.jpg

Yes, I believe we need to make sure here we don't compare apples and oranges.Me and two buddies are constructing a 757 simulator similar to that of the deltaflight. We are doing it with FSBUS, which offers about exactly the same features that EPIC, only free. However, with PIC version 1, at least to my knowledge, there has never been the possibility to extract data out from its internal variables.I know some of the variables are standard FS variables (like the radios for example which I have displays for in my own module), but most of them are not. Also, it is possible via a separate module (a l

Hello PIC-fans,I thank you for your answers. But in some things I habe to disappoint you.to Tero: Unfortunately I can't extract data from PIC. I only have connected nearly all switches I need using the normal procedure checklist to the KE72 encoder. When I start a flight, I have allways a dark cold cockpit situation and preset all switches according to this cockpit state. So when switching I allways have the same state of my switches and the PIC panel. My switches have 2 contacts, so when the switch is set to (on) the first contact lights up the switch and the second contact sends the signal to the KE72. Certainly I have to reset the APU-switch (and others) from (Start) to (on) manually. Naturally the lighted indicators and real switch lights don't work without an interface. As you I'm still waiting for this software. I have only some FS2002 lights for gear, park brake, markers ... that work with some relay-cards and FSRELAIS.to Roberto:I have ordered the simavionics throttle, because my selfmade throttle is not working as perfect as I would like it. Specially the differences between the two engines are to large. I'm trying to get most parts for my cockpit professional build and ready for plug&play. For the NAV1 I use the GF166 and for ATC/transponder the GF45.to Nico:Sorry to disappoint you for the impossibility to get data out of PIC. I still have the hope, that FSUIP will intergrate such possibilities or PIC V.2 will have its own input- and output interface. Now I only can use the PIC key commands and additionaly Key2mouse for my switches. But this works very good and I can use the switches at the places where they have to be in a real cockpit. 2 months ago my KE72 was damaged and had to be repaired by Hagstrom. It was terrible and nearly impossible to fly wit PIC without the switches. But who could drive a car only by training with a car simulation at the PC with keyboard and mouse without real controlls?I'm still using Key2mouse for the FMC and I'm happy with it. Certainly it is more perfect to have a real 5" monitor and a KE72 for this purpose, but you allways need a toggle key to change between FMC and other panel commands. So I can type some data into the FMC and at the same time change the HSI range, turn on the APU ...Thank you for the advice with the jpeg file. I have attched the reduced pictures.To tero and Stephan:If you want to have a simulation near to reality, you need a progamm that integrates all systems and also models their interactions too. This was my reason for using PIC. It is very difficult and for most of us impossible, to take different components and integrate them to get a real 767 simulation. For this you need a specialized programmer(team?), an aircraft engineer and a lot of data about the aircraft. I don't know, how Deltaflight has done this. If you think of all the additional functions in the overhead panel, main panel and pedestal that PIC offers, it would be impossible to make all the gauges and write the needed program code yourself. Let's wait for PIC V2 and hope for an extensive input and output interface for cockpit builders. At the moment we have to use every trick, tool, program and hardware to get the most realistic cockpit. At this moment I'm happy with my cockpit, because I can mostly use all switches and controls without needing the keyboard or mouse.Tony

Tony,Thanks for the additional information. Last night when I stopped to think about this, and discussed your sim with some friends in IRC, it occurred to me that the switches etc. are "half-functional", just like you said (with half I mean that the lights etc. don't reflect the panel state FROM the SW itself) Oh btw, our 757 simulator will cover everything once it's ready. How, you might ask ?Well, there are three possible ways to do this in my opinion.1. PICv2 (SDK equipped PIC) + FSBUS + some self-made interfacing programming2. Project Magenta + FSBUS + some self-made interfaces3. Project Magenta + EPIC + some self made interfacesAt this stage we are taking the first route. The upcoming FSBUS version will have the systems/logic modelling built into it. We are also counting on the PICv2 having a complete SDK to enable data extracting. As far as I know (and this is a disappointment to many, I know :() PICv2 will not support FSUIPC; PIC's functions interface to FS with its own interfacing module. It's both good and bad. Bad about it is the inability to use FSBUS's direct FSUIPC-interface to FS. Good side is that at least now the interface transfers PIC functions to FS properly, no side-effects or anything like that, and everything is available. Us FSBUS-users need to program an interface program of somekind then to link FSBUS with the new PICv2 I suspect. But that remains to be seen.Tero

Hello Tero,after reading a lot about the different hardware and software and their possibilities and limitations I think PIC V2 and FSBus is the best combination. Using Projekt Magenta is usefull for the displays, but could have influence to the behaviour of the aircraft, when using the MCP or FMC or disturb the communication of this systems with PIC-systems. Since FSBUS is a open source system, the development of an interface should be easier then with EPIC. I am not a programmer, but I think, the most copmplicated part will be the interface software and the interaction beetween PIC and FSBUS.Additional there is a lot of hardware to build and buy. Switches for the overhead with two independent LEDs are hard to find and not very sheap. For a lot of lights you may also need relaiscards with an interface-software. And sometimes you are dissapointed by some companys like Aerosoft Australia, telling you simply, that they will produce no more hardware.There are a lot of problems of this kind to get it all working, but I think, you know this already. If some user ready interface is available, I certainly will complete my cockpit and make it full functional. In the meantime there is a lot to do of painting, finishing, adding lights ...Good luck for your project!Tony

Tony,Thank you for your elaborate answer.>Certainly it is more perfect to have a real 5" monitor and a KE72 >for this purpose, but you allways need a toggle key to change >between FMC and other panel commands. So I can type some data into >the FMC and at the same time change the HSI range, turn on the >APU...Yes the mode change is sometimes necessary unfortunately, but: The toggle is only needed for entering data (in KA mode). If you only want to select a page (NAV RAD, LEGS, PROG, PREV, NEXT, and so on, or a LSK) a mode change is not needed. And in my experience that's about 90% of the flight. Also a direct to WAYPOINT directive from ATC can be executed, without changing KB-mode.The advantage of using the PIC-custom-control keys via the KE72 is that it's much more reliable then Key2mouse, that is sensitive for small changes in the panel positionBut anyway, I'm very impressed by your work, congrats!I still hope PICv2 will come out someday, preferably equiped with a SDK.Regards,Nicowww.nicokaan.nl