Hi Folks.During testing another issue, I stumbled upon a really odd, unexpected, and serious problem.Basically its like this.Without ASX running, this does not occur within FSX.With ASX & FSX+Accel running, here are the steps to reproduce. Basically I come in to land, for a complete stop on the runway. Nothing fancy. However, I find that just before the aircraft fully stops, it suddenly jumps to moving forward at something like 50 to 100kts down the runway. Of course, ending up off the end and crashing the aircraft etc.I have gone through everything I can think of, even (cleanly) reinstalled EVERYTHING I have. Checked and re-calibrated all hardware controls, although I can reproduce with just the keyboard plugg in. Aircraft type does not matter either, although have to tested helicopters which would be interesting.So wierd, why would having ASX running cause this, it has nothing to do with weather. But I can reproduce this only with ASX running???For me, this problem is really bad and as such renders ASX unusable, and effects game play. Nothing worse than having a nice sim flight, but not being able to complete the flight. Know what I mean. ;-)Has anyone got any ideas please? Is this a known issue?David.

Hi David,No one has ever reported this before and we have never seen it happen during testing or since release. But we will still try and help!Do the engines rev up during this?Is this with default FSX planes?Right before this happens does your hard disk light come on?This actually could be a pause in FSX while it is loading airport scenery. It looks like you are stopped, but really it is a pause, the airport scenery loads and FSX starts running again. So really you are not totally stopped in your plane before this happens.In ASX try with high priority process On, then Off and see if that makes a difference.Again, what may be happening is that you are taxing your system, just as you are with the clouds issue.Thanks,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/banners/hifi-community-sigbanner.jpghttp://www.hifisim.com/

Hi Jim.I will run further tests today, and try to pin things down further.The whole sim seems to briefly jump back in time, just a few seconds. Before this happens the engines are already idling and I am stopping the aircraft, but when it jumps the engines sound as though they are still coming down to idle. Not sure what the gauges are saying, so will check.This happens with any aircraft, not tested helicopters though.I will check everything again, and try to get reproducable steps etc.David.

>Hi David,>>No one has ever reported this before and we have never seen it>happen during testing or since release. But we will still try>and help!>>Do the engines rev up during this?>>Is this with default FSX planes?>>Right before this happens does your hard disk light come on?>>This actually could be a pause in FSX while it is loading>airport scenery. It looks like you are stopped, but really it>is a pause, the airport scenery loads and FSX starts running>again. So really you are not totally stopped in your plane>before this happens.>>In ASX try with high priority process On, then Off and see if>that makes a difference.>>Again, what may be happening is that you are taxing your>system, just as you are with the clouds issue.>>Thanks,>Jim>>http://www.hifisim.com/banners/hifi-community-sigbanner.jpg>http://www.hifisim.com/I have completed further testing, FR locked to 20. No Autogen, Scenery Normal. No traffic.I am not sure that the engines are reving up as such, gauges certainly did not support this. I tried 10 landings with the engine off, and the Cessna still showed the problem.This happens with any aircraft.My hard disk light does not come on, and I cannot see any freezing or the like from frame rates etc.ASX priority did not make any difference.I own a copy of fraps, and thought I would try to capture the moment so you could see what is happening. However, with fraps running and capturing video, the problem occur much less. And when it did occur the jump was minimal. Normally the aircraft shoots off the end of the runway at speed, or in somecase leaves the ground almost virtically.With the effects seen whislt fraps was active, I must admit this des look like my system is being stretched. My only concern now is that I cannot use ASX as I cannot find a setting (or happy medium) that stops this from happening?Actually I suppose I could try the testing again with scenery turned fully down/off/minimum, as that should show if it eases things. But I am really not sure.David.

Hi.I ran a further utlimate test last night.Its worth noting that with my normal settings, FSX & Acceleration alone gave me around 40-50 on the frame rate, when I fiddle with the max visibility it increased etc. When running FSX&Accel and ASX my frame rates jumped to between 80 and 120, no I am not kidding, this really happened! Superb :-)Anyway, back to my test. I reinstalled the whole lot again, but just back to FSX&Accel and ASX. I had "all" settings either off, turned right down to low etc. I did this for both FSX and ASX. I even reinstalled my graphics card driver, just to double check I had tried everything.But, sadly this did not solve the problem? It seems that just by having ASX running I get this problem just after landing?I am totally stumped, and if I want a full sim flight with FSX, I cannot use ASX. :-(Have I missed anything? Is it possible that my setup simply cannot handle running FSX and ASX? Although my system spec meets the recommended requirements, and the frame rates do not seem to be effected?David.

Hi,Are you somehow entering Slew mode?What happens if you turn all AI traffic down to zero and land at a rural airport that contains no scenery?Thanks,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/banners/hifi-community-sigbanner.jpghttp://www.hifisim.com/

Hi.Good questions :-)No, not entering slew mode.I dont use AI traffic, and during my testing ensured that all settings for traffic (including air, airport, road, and sea) were indeed off. Even aircraft labels are off.A good question about the airport, I had been testing at EGMH (my local in real life), along with a few others. But I will try to find something with (say) just a runway, or I guess I could land on land space away from any scenery etc. Scenery is turned right down in all respects.David.

If this only happens on landing then it must be somehow related to the controls used during landing and I do strongly suspect that slew is somehow involved. I did once have an add-on aircraft that displayed similar beahviour after having been slewed at some point earlier in the session (like to push back and turn, for example).During landing one assumes you're cutting the throttles (either with a throttle or with F1), probably applying the reversers (pos wth F2) and applying the brakes (on your control stick/yoke or ".") and possibly with autobrake. Presumably also opening the spoilers. I would have a check through your control assignments for the above just to make sure there isn't a conflict somewhere.Why it only happens when AS is running is very very peculiar but I do suspect a coincidence somewhere unless in running AS there is a conflict of key assignmnts being created?Just a few thoughts on a very strange phenomenon!

>If this only happens on landing then it must be somehow>related to the controls used during landing and I do strongly>suspect that slew is some how involved. I did once have an>add-on aircraft that displayed similar beahviour after having>been slewed at some point earlier in the session (like to push>back and turn, for example).>>During landing one assumes you're cutting the throttles>(either with a throttle or with F1), probably applying the>reversers (pos wth F2) and applying the brakes (on your>control stick/yoke or ".") and possibly with autobrake.>Presumably also opening the spoilers. I would have a check>through your control assignments for the above just to make>sure there isn't a conflict somewhere.>>Why it only happens when AS is running is very very peculiar>but I do suspect a coincidence somewhere unless in running AS>there is a conflict of key assignmnts being created?>>Just a few thoughts on a very strange phenomenon!Hi Bill.Thanks for your ideas and suggestions.I can reproduce this problem by doing a simple flight, in a any aircraft, even just using the keyboard with all other controls unplugged, and doing a simple circuit. During my tests I have tried all manor of things from normal landing, to engine off landing with only electrics on. I have even let the aircraft land hands free and roll to a stop.Thinking this all through and being logical, I agree it makes no sense why ASX should by tied to this problem. However, I have not found anything to point me in another direction. Normally you can find other routes to go down, but this one is really hiding from me. At the moment all I have is that with ASX running, with whatever settings in either FSX and/or ASX, then I see this problem.I have also been trying all other manor of things with the software I have installed, removing anything new etc. Shutting down software running in the background (which I do anyway), double checking they are "really" stopped. I have also been through all latest MS updates. I have totally reinstalled FSX, Accell, and ASX etc. I have even tried standing facing north with 1 leg in the air, but none of this has helped either ;-)I have a few more things to try that Jim suggested, landing where there is less scenery etc. Hopefully trying that this weekend at some point, but not sure what to try next, its very very wierd. This is really testing my tech.support skills, and really wish I could pin this down.Regards.David.

Hi Folks.I have now tried landing at a very small airport, or on just landing space where there is low amounts of scenery. This was also with scenery set to its minimum setting in FSX. Still no joy.Actually during my last set of tests, I stumbled across one of those stupid mistakes. One of those things that makes you sit back and think - WHY???? ;-) Basically when I say I had been just using and installing ASX, I was also installing XGraphics. Because I bought both at the same time, and in my mind they work together, I was treating them as one even though they are seperate installs - AHHH.Anyway, at this point I thought this is it, this is what I have been missing. This is what is causing the extra system loading, and thus causing the effects first mentioned by Jim. So uninstalled XGraphics, retested - the problem still remains. Gulp :-(Apart from now being totally stuck for ideas, I do have a question. What is the link between FSX weather settings and ASX? Do they effect each other? When using ASX, how should I set the weather settings in FSX?David.

Hi David,Feel free to reinstall X Graphics. Unless you keep it running, it can be shut down after submitting textures.You don't adjust any weather settings in FSX besides cloud draw distance and cloud coverage. ASX sets weather to User Defined automatically and then ASX handles the rest.Thanks,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/banners/hifi-community-sigbanner.jpghttp://www.hifisim.com/

David,I dought that what I am going to say is your problem.I already had the A/C not stopping at landing. Tough I desactivated the autopilot, the speed button of the autopilot was still active. When I stop the speed autopilot everything is O.K.But since you tried different A/C it would be a real coincidence that you always used the speed autopilot in the same manner. But who knows ?

>David,>>I dought that what I am going to say is your problem.>I already had the A/C not stopping at landing. Tough I>desactivated the autopilot, the speed button of the autopilot>was still active. When I stop the speed autopilot everything>is O.K.>But since you tried different A/C it would be a real>coincidence that you always used the speed autopilot in the>same manner. But who knows ?Hi.Thanks for your response and suggestion.This is a great idea, I have not looked at the autopilot, although I have tested engine off landings etc. But its a great idea, and will test this later today.Thanks. David.

That's one I hadn't thought of, having autothrottle engaged! Been there done that. But! Presumably when testing with/without ASX you've been using any autopilot in the same way and I can't imagine that ASX would change that. It does inspire a further test which would rule out any A/P settings, engines etc and that is to try it with the glider in FSX. Now if that decides to shoot off the runway on landing then we know full well that it has nothing to do with the aircraft setup!

>Just a quickie.>>Have you tried running the sim without a keyboard plugged in?>>Was just thinking it could be a stuck key, but then you would>notice that when you typed your texts...>>Why did I write this!>>If when you land and the aircraft moves of its own accord does>entering and exiting slew mode stop it?Hi.Good suggestion, I would agree that I would expect to see the effects of a stuck key else where. But its worth checking out, so swapped the keyboard for another. But still see the same problem.Entering and exiting slew did not work either, the aircraft continues from where it left off etc.Good ideas though, thanks :-)David.