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Michael,No, they are not punished. Inconvenienced yes and its something we are all very concious of and it is why I spent a whole lot more time on them than I should have done.For loading in the interim it has always been possible to use the in built FS loader. Centre of gravity for MAC purposes will never be far out at 22 - 24 as long as you evenly load things. If you go and place for example all of the cargo in the front and can't take off no amount of load editor would help.Fuel flow

CRUISE ; ALT TAS FUEL   (Based on Mach .80 cruise) / (GRWT (1000/LBS))GRWT 	 	255	250	240	230	220	210	200	190	180	170	160	150	140;														;42000	459	---	---	---	---	---	---	---	---	6808	6288	5896	5670	541441000	459	---	---	---	---	---	---	---	7358	6620	6206	5886	5688	545440000	459	---	---	---	---	---	---	7494	6946	6524	6180	5900	5668	550639000	459	---	---	---	---	---	7814	7264	6838	6488	6184	5938	5720	552638000	459	---	---	---	---	8118	7574	7148	6794	6486	6222	5986	5786	562237000	459	---	---	---	8406	7874	7452	7098	6790	6522	6270	6048	5878	573636000	459	---	---	8684	8172	7756	7404	7096	6826	6572	6338	6142	5996	587235000	461	9668	9002	8508	8102	7754	7444	7172	6916	6678	6472	6302	6168	605834000	463	9512	8854	8458	8112	7806	7532	7274	7030	6818	6642	6492	6374	627633000	465	9356	8818	8478	8172	7898	7638	7390	7176	6994	6838	6702	6596	651032000	467	9374	9029	8540	8266	8002	7752	7534	7350	7190	7050	6928	6832	675831000	469	9392	9240	8638	8372	8122	7904	7718	7554	7410	7284	7176	7088	702630000	471	9499	9355	8752	8502	8284	8096	7930	7784	7654	7540	7446	7380	732629000	473	9606	9470	8888	8670	8482	8316	8166	8034	7918	7820	7748	7690	764427000	477	9912	9806	9276	9108	8956	8820	8698	8594	8516	8450	8398	8356	8292CRUISE  ; ALT TAS FUEL   (Based on Mach .80 cruise) / (GRWT (1000/LBS))GRWT		240	230	220	210	200	190	180	170	160	150	140;												41000	459	---	---	---	---	---	---	7374	6892	6506	6184	590839000	459	---	---	---	---	8118	7612	7198	6856	6564	6310	609837000	459	---	9430	8802	8292	7870	7516	7212	6944	6714	6524	636835000	461	9490	8998	8582	8228	7918	7644	7402	7196	7026	6878	674633000	465	9368	9022	8714	8438	8190	7974	7794	7638	7496	7526	741031000	469	9536	9262	9014	8794	8606	8444	8296	8338	8214	8102	799829000	473	9852	9634	9444	9276	9126	9182	9052	8932	8822	8722	863227000	477	10310	10142	9988	10062	9928	9804	9688	9582	9484	9398	932225000	481	10894	10988	10852	10726	10606	10494	10392	10298	10216	10142	1008015000	355	10442	10010	9594	9190	8792	8400	8012	7636	7282	6950	6620

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Norman,Thanks for the fuel flow tables :). Which table is for what engine type? And please confirm the tables represent both engines operting?Jim Harnes

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hi all if you need a load editor i don't know if i should be advertising other developers wares here but as its not in direct competition with pss i don't think it should be a problem but if i'm wrong could one of the moderators tell me but i use fs passengers, this seems to do the job and doesn't interfere with the original cfg steve :-cool

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Was wondering how the load editor/fuel planner is coming along. Didn't think it was going to take this long.

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HiI am normally really patient. But now i am gettinga little bit annoyed to this issue.No really good information is coming through about this tools or other issues in the 757.I personally don't care if pirated copies can use the tools or not.Anyway the cracker always find ways around security checks.We want the tools now, and not in 6 months!

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>We want the tools now, and not in 6 months!Did they ever say they would be released in 6 months?

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Hi,The thing is. Im no software developer but I would have though that these issues would take days not weeks/months to sort out. As far as I was aware the load edit/fuel planner are already made they just have to make sure they wont work with pirated software. Fair enough, but as already said the wait is getting a bit too long.Andy S

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hallo PSS Team,please notice my small note: in the real world we use kg for all kind of calculations (weight+balance, or fuelcalculations as reference / see allso FAA international standards). Other than metric systems are out -since years- for airlinepilots, after noted problems during bad airmenship or groundstaff faillures.I hope, that you can offer that system allso (as better choise) for the comming load/fuel editor as well.best regardsPeter

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>Hi>>I am normally really patient. But now i am getting>a little bit annoyed to this issue.>>No really good information is coming through about this tools>or other issues in the 757.>I personally don't care if pirated copies can use the tools or>not.>Anyway the cracker always find ways around security checks.>>We want the tools now, and not in 6 months!This is a hobby. If you dont get the exact numbers then who cares. Play with it for a while and :-eek you might even discover something for yourself without having it shoved in front of you!Rob

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Also as a real world dispatcher I can 100% confirm that some airlines still use pounds for weights. Whilst most are kilos, pounds are still very much used. Just because those tables show lbs mean nothing since in the utilities both pounds and kilos are available.

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Norman is 100% ocrrect. I am pilot for a large US regional, and we use pounds for ALL weight calculations. In fact, I am almost positive that all US airlines use pounds, as it is the system that dominates over here (for better or worse, probably worse, but oh well).David

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The headers seem rather confusing, though I assume that the numbers are the pounds per hour used at that airspeed (in correlation with appropriate engine settings) altitude and ZFW? I assume ZFW since the actual weight of the aircraft will change as fuel burns which would deem this a little unreliable. Am I reading this correct?Dan Mosesdeltamike172@hotmail.com

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Not all US operators use pounds. Atlas Air use the metric system throughout.Norman,You say the PSS utilities use KG and LB. We would all love to be able to verify this by seeing them in operation too. :)First the servers were too busy, then it was no reliable internet in Malta, then it was to protect against piracy. What next?Not sure about the anti-piracy excuse. If someone has got hold of a free pirate copy, I don't think they'd be rushing to buy a legal copy just because the load editor didn't work. If it was made integral with the installation they would need to be a legal owner to get it anyway, surely?Kevin

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Kevin,Perhaps if you read them again you would note the chronological order was and remains:1. Server load2. Piracy protection3. MaltaThe Malta side of things have not yet resumed.You may have also noted that I said the utils will be made available as a seperate download as well as combined. And no, Im not about to divulge what issues it will cause should a pirated version be detected.As far as KB/LBs - I too would love for you guys to be able to but I refer to point 3. Like I said elsewhere, Im just one tiny piece of PSS.

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Dan,Drag, and therefore fuel flow, will be related to gross weight. If the chart showed ZFW instead of GRWT, the fuel flow would be the same for full and empty tanks. I assume the charts Norman has provided show fuel flow for the current gross weight, not take-off gross weight.For proper flight planning you would have tables which use take-off gross weight and account for fuel burn during the climb, and similar charts for cruise and descent (again with gross weight for the beginning of each phase). These allow a simple look up giving gross weight at the end of each phase.Using Norman's charts you can get a reasonable estimate by iteration.Kevin

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