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Hi,I have a NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600 and I get 17 to 22 (locked) FPS when I using PMDG 738/739.With FS2Crew the FPS drop down to 5,6 to 10 FPS max.Any ideas?My systemP4 2,81Gb ramres 1280 x 960 16 bitExcellent Work!!Thx ;-))

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Hi againI just finished an on line flight from LGAV to LGRP with Heavy Traffic and bad weather.It was a dissaster,max FPS never exceeded 9 and the most of time was arround 3 to 8.I believe it's a great program but also it's a frame killer.Sorry about that.Pls consinder that all my program run on 2second PC(voice client,SB,weather client,SBrelay,fsacars) on First pc the only running program is FS9.I have aforementioned my system specificationsThx again!!

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Hello George,Frame rates: It's something to do with your system. Not everyone is having this problem. I certainly don't. I don't have any frame rate loss and I'm running an old computer. FS2Crew is not a graphic intensive program and the "math" it does so to speak isn't so complex that it's going to steal all your cycles.My thoughts:1. You're running two monitors I take it. FS2Crew seems to be having some issues with people who use two monitors. I'm working on that.2. As an experiment for me, try setting your resolution to 1024 by 768 and do a flight. You won't notice hardly any difference in terms of overall graphic quality.Let me know how it goes George.All the best,Bryan

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>Hello George,>>Frame rates: It's something to do with your system. I don't think so. I think F2Crew has a memory leak. Once it's running, FS2004 is requesting memory like crazy. Once the virtual memory on the harddisk is full, windows is shutting down FS2004. The old PMDG 737 versions had the same problem. It's a creat program, but due to this issue it's slowing down the system dramatically.

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The interesting thing is that it doesn't happen to everyone. I don't have any problems and I'm running an old computer. I had over 20 people run FS2Crew before going public and they didn't have this problem.I'm interested to know what kind of Sound Card people are using who are experiencing this kind of phenomenon.Cheers!Bryan

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>I'm interested to know what kind of Sound Card people are>using who are experiencing this kind of phenomenon.I'm using a SoundBlaster Live.

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Me too.I take every reported issue seriously, and I'm presently investigating your report.Are you using the 2D or 3D cockpit?Suggestion: To test to see if it is in fact FS2Crew causing this problem, make a backup copy of the existing panel.cfg files in the PMDG 800 folder (these are the ones modified by FS2Crew).Next, revert back to the Original PMDG panel.cfgs. When you do that, FS2Crew is essentially "gone." None of it loads.Next, do your flight again using the *exact* same conditions and see if your frame rates drop.Let me know what happens.All the best,Bryan

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I consulted with some other people on the possible frame rate issue and determined that there can be no true blue 'memory leak'.Memory leaks happen when the program allocates memory for things, but never releases them. Make sense?Without going into total Geek-Speak and talking about C++ commands such as 'new', 'malloc', or 'calloc' and the associated 'delete' and 'free' comands used to release the memory when it's no longer needed, I can assure that this is not a problem for FS2Crew. FSCrew doesn't really even use those commands.FSCrew doesn't use DirectX code, so there's no memory of buffers that need to be freed up.It was also suggested to me that because FS2Crew uses a lot of variables, that it could be emphasizing someone else's memory leak.I'm still open to reports on this matter though.However, when you report, I want to know what other applications you're also running. Maybe we can narrow it down and see what's causing the problem that way.Cheers and thank you,Bryan

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>Next, do your flight again using the *exact* same conditions>and see if your frame rates drop.I did this right after I experienced the problem yesterday, cause I wanted to find the cause myself. Fact is, that everything was fine - as before I installed FS2Crew.Of course it was a bit more boring - since once you know what FS2Crew has to offer, you don't want to miss it. ;)I found, that NOT switching views, while running FS2Crew is causing FS2004 to be more stable. I completed two flights without switching views. However, I was circling through the outside views after touchdown and after stopping at the gate - and experienced the heavy swapping again. This does not happen when doing the same without Fs2Crew and PMDG 800/900.Thanks for your dedication - it sure is a greate piece of addon and I'll continue to use it trying to avoid to much "looking from the outside".Regards,Marcel

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Hi Marcel,Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad it's hard to go back to flying without FS2Crew on board.Let's try some more:Did you by any chance install any extra scenery, programs, cloud textures, anything, between the time you last used the PMDG 800/900 and the time you installed FS2Crew.What addon programs are you also running? Ie., Squawkbox, ActiveSky, etc.Were you always flying with the 800 or 900 before installing FS2Crew?Did you install any new PMDG models before installed FS2Crew?Sometimes I just wish we all had Commodore Vic 20's... We never had problems like this back in the good'ol days!!!!!Cheers,Bryan

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>Did you by any chance install any extra scenery, programs,>cloud textures, anything, between the time you last used the>PMDG 800/900 and the time you installed FS2Crew.No, nothing. I even deinstalled Fs2Crew and flew the same flight again (as you suggested) It was all good - as before I installed FS2Crew.The flight where I experienced the problems was even from a stock fs2k4 airport to another stock airport.>What addon programs are you also running? Ie., Squawkbox,>ActiveSky, etc.Nothing. Just pure FS2004 with real weather updates every 15 minutes.>Were you always flying with the 800 or 900 before installing>FS2Crew?Yep - and a couple of other addon planes of course.>Did you install any new PMDG models before installed FS2Crew?No.I can infact reproduce the behavior of heavy swapping by installing/desinstalling Fs2Crew and doing the same flight - without modifying anything else on the setup.>Sometimes I just wish we all had Commodore Vic 20's... We>never had problems like this back in the good'ol days!!!!!I can imagine that. Working as a project manager for a big IT company, I sure know what it is like to meet the requirements of all possible systems out there - and that there are indeed some weired bugs nobody would ever think about.Regards,Marcel

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Marcel,What resultion are you running? I use 1024 * 768. If you're not using that, try it. You never know.Also, are you loading the PMDG with the VC cockpit or VC cockpit and cabin?If so, try loading the PMDG with the 2D cockpit only. I have someone right now testing various panel.cfgs to try to identify the source of the Dual Monitor Crash issue... early indications are suggesting the the VC could be the possible culprit.Cheers,Bryan

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>What resultion are you running? I use 1024 * 768. If you're>not using that, try it. You never know.Using the exact same resolution.>Also, are you loading the PMDG with the VC cockpit or VC>cockpit and cabin?Well, I used to fly with VC modell (without the cabin) but after I saw, that switching views caused the swapping I thought, well, don't use the other views and I selected the 2D modell (since there was no point in chosing the VC models). I completed the flights with the 2D modell. However, the sweaping still occured when switching views.>indications are suggesting the the VC could be the possible>culprit.Well, this may be, seeing, that I was actually able to complete the flights with the 2D cockpit, whereas flying with the VC modell (although using the 2D panel, not flying in VC mode) caused Fs2004 to crash after not having enough virtual memory anymore.I will do some more tests maybe tonite or tomorrow.Thanks for your dedication.Regards,Marcel

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Believe you gents should also consider the possibility that mem swapping due to hyperthreading may contribute to this problem. With a number of external add-ons, I have found that constraining FS and the add-ons to both run on a single vCPU makes a huge difference. No idea if this is the case with F Screw but it is another possibility.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Washington, DC

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Right now I'm pretty sure it's the VC causing the probs. I just hope we don't have to scrap the VC cockpit integration.I personally don't like using the VC, but I suspect a lot of you do.Therefore, until we figure out the VC issue and if you're having problems, please do this:Only load the PMDG 737 model that comes with the 2D cockpit only.Do **not** load the PMDG 737 model that has either the VC cockpit or VC cabin.Thank you!Bryan

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Hi I changed the res. from 1280 x 960 32bit to 1024 x 768 16bit,I moved the sliders a litle bit to the left and the problem solved.Now I enjoy the flying with a good FPS 13 to 22(locked).I'm using only 2D cockpit.Thx to allBest Regards

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Hi all!Just thought to add my two cents to the discussion although I have not yet purchased fs2crew (it's actually downloading in the bacground...). I had too, and still have a similar problem, but it seems to me that it's related to any range of addons and fs9.I agree that old versions of pmdg 737 had that problem but it also happens with certain addon panels. The symptoms are as with a memory leak but if it really was then it would be true under all circumstances, not only on certain systems but here it happens more often with clouds than without, with certain panels (but not for example the 800/900 panels, nor the PSS Axxx series), etc...In overall, I suspect it has to do with the graphic drivers since it also seems to be dependent on settings in FS9. A brilliant way of getting FS9 to start chewing graphics is to minimize it several times, or even better, open a window in front of FS9! That really upsets certain addon aircraft, so again, that has to do with windows multitasking rather than anything else...Anyway, I shall try out fs2crew and get back to the issue :)// Peter A. Mankowskihttp://www.mankowski.co.ukhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/ng_driver.jpg

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Right, have just flown a few rounds with fs2crew and it's FANTASTIC! Yeah, I've used fshotseat but this is a great step for some realism and ambience! Back to the framerate issue, not even a single frame difference! My setup is as follows;AMD XP3000+, 1GB ram, 120gb disc, UA-5 external audio interface, NVidia GeForce 5600, WinXP sv2 and more...Among things to consider are, enough ram to see to that windows does not work against a swap file. Check your audio drivers very carefully! My Audigy card used to produce about 5-6 more frames/sec in FS9 than my external until Edirol released its latest drivers and now there is no difference. Check background processes under Win that may slow FS9 down... There are a lot of reasons why certain software suddenly go slow ...// Peter A. Mankowskihttp://www.mankowski.co.ukhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/ng_driver.jpg

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Hello,I was having a serious frame rate drop after installing fscrew. After reading throught all the posts on this topic and trying the differant posibble solutions, I remembered I had installed Des Bradan's sound package for the 737. I uninstalled FScrew, removed all sound files from this sound package, reinstalled the PMDG software and reinstalled FScrew. No more frame rate problem.I am back to about 18-25 fps.I use AS2004 and RadarContact.My system is:P4 3.06512Ram120gb HDATI Radion 128.By the way, excellant program.Derick Woodworth

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Thank you for the kind words Derick,I'm doing to add that to the FAQs manual for the Update.-Bryan

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Hi!I still have the same problem as described: the memory of the fs9 process increases by around 100kb/s . I have tried several things now to get this fixed. I played with the several pmdg models (2d, 3d cockpit), changed the screen resolution, color depth and so on. It doesn't help. Without fs2crew it's all fine. It look like that the memory leak often takes several seconds to show up, i.e. the memory consumption is constant for maybe 30 seconds after switching the aircraft to pmdg and then increases again. No idea where it comes from.My specs: 1GB ram, ATI 9800 pro with latest drivers, two screens attached, CH yoke and pedals, fs2004 in windowed mode, SB Live value, Ivap 3.02.Has there been any progress with this problem since the last postings in this thread? If I can help with debugging, Bryan, please tell me. I am developer myself, so maybe we can work this out somehow (via ICQ if realtime communication helps).Stefan

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Stefan,Still sounds to me like it not being a memory leak! The only part of the winxp processes FSCrew accesses all the time is the sound. Btw, checking for process memory will only show you what FS9 allocates, not where why and how...Two things that spring to mind with your setup are your SB Live card and Ivap. To start with, check for the latest SB drivers. That may help and Creative are quite good at updating their drivers.Second, try to run without Ivap (means - re-start your computer and do not turn Ivap on at all!). Ivap, as cool as it may seem is still in beta mode and VERY buggy! Because Ivap runs within FS9 then whatever it may run off with in terms of process time and memory will show up as FS9 when you look at your resources....Hope it helps,Peter// Peter A. Mankowskihttp://www.mankowski.co.ukhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/ng_driver.jpg

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Stefan,Did Peter's suggest work?I honestly don't know what more I can say. If everyone suffered frame rate problems I'd say sure there is a problem, but when only a tiny tiny fraction of all users have frame rate problems it suggests that the problem is local.Cheers,Bryan

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I run a high end system too and are also having problems with my FS9 fsp. They drop to around 6 to 7 as an average. I use one monitor and a seperate fast harddisk for my FS9 solely. I've already had to pull some sliders in the Display settings back to get FS9 going. I also got a Soundblaster Live! Value from creative. Could that one be the problem????? I usually fly with frames averiging around 15 to 18 and never had this experience. It started after I installed FS2Crew.Can someone please specify if there is a patch or fix (official) coming and if so, when and for what? Thanks in advance all.Regards,DutchBird-757My specs: Windows XP SP2, FS9 (no MS Patch), ATI Radeon 9800XT, P4 2800MHz, Soundblaster Live! Value. Seperate Western Digital HD for FS9 only.

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Dutchbird,Send me an email: admin@fs2crew.comCheers,Bryan

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