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Hi EveryoneHave been trying to get back into Flt Sim and wondering if there is a new program that performs the same function as Tom Molitor

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There is an A.I Traffic Mover for FS9. I think it is called 2.0a, and was released as a beta, but it works fine for me and I haven't found anything beter.scott s..

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give 'ai flight creator' a shot (it works with traffictools by Lee Swordy).also try some ai traffic sites -*http://www.ai-aardvark.com/ <-- creators of better looking and easier on the framerates AI*http://www.evolveai.com/ <-- same as above*http://www.boris-repaints.com/about.htm <-- same as above and provides real world flight schedules*http://www.world-of-ai.com/ <--provides real world flight schedules*http://www.projectai.com/ <-- as above abovethere is also aismooth. makes ai traffic behave better at airports: http://www.sg-flightware.de/have fun!

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Roger on the tips. I can't imagine people cranking out all these AI flight plans (look at all the new additions here every day at the Avism Library) are using AITM. Guess it comes down to another of those well kept secrets. One just has to figure it out the hard way. I've been to the sites you suggest. There's nothing there. And AISmooth is a totally different animal. AIAmooth has nothing to do with creating flight plans. And it has a considerable number of comments that it is quite buggy. But even if it was not buggy, who wants to watch planes zoom around in a holding pattern with the landing gears extended. thank you.........

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Hi,Most airline flight plans these days are compiled from airline data using the MRAI Compiler, available at www.fsalliance.net (File Library/Downloads, Flightsim Tools). This takes airline timetable data (or you can enter it yourself into Excel or Wordpad) and compiles it into TTools source files.AITM is very useful for editing/improving these compiled files, or creating your own traffic without timetable data.Hope this helps,--Tom GibsonCal Classic Propliner Page: http://www.calclassic.comFreeflight Design Shop: http://www.freeflightdesign.comDrop by! ___x_x_(")_x_x___

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In regard to my original post, I wonder why nobody bothered to suggestAI SCHEDULEhttp://rudh.mine.nu/AIScheduleas an alternative to the cumbersome A.I.T.M?(an FS2002 program, never designed to be used with FS9)This is a dandy little program. Guess the readers here at Avsim Forum are not very well informed, having never heard of this program. And if that's not the case, then the informed readers who read my post, and were quite aware of AI Schedule, simply opted not to say anything. Doesn't seem very friendly, either way. Well, we found it. Solving another problem, the hard way, the same way any good doggie finds that bone in the back yard. Thanks for nothing.

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Sorry,never felt the need to look for that program, since AITM ver 2.0a is designed for FS9 and does everything I need. I guess it doesn't work for you, but if AI scehdule does what you need, great.scott s..

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Hello all,What functions or features do you miss in AISchedule? As the author of AISchedule am I quite interested in understanding what could be changed or added.Best regards,Tomas RudhSwedenhttp://rudh.mine.nu/AISchedule>Hi,>>I find it quite limiting compared to the power of AITM.>>Take care,>-->Tom Gibson>>Cal Classic Propliner Page: http://www.calclassic.com>>Freeflight Design Shop: http://www.freeflightdesign.com>>Drop by! ___x_x_(")_x_x___

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Rudhan, I think most here hadn't heard of your program. From looking at the screenshot it looks very interesting. I'm going to d/l it and I'll try it out when I get finished with another project I'm currently messing with.As for features, I think what many want is a way to make flight plans from scratch without to much trouble. To be able to start a new flightplan proiject inside the program, select a aircraft from a list of installed aircraft, select the starting and leg airports from a list of installed airports, have the program calculate times for them and then compile the traffic file without to much hassle. This is what many people are looking for but doesn't seem to exist. Most programs require a lot of work outside of them to get anything done, or require an existing flightplan to work with.

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I believe AISchedule does most of what you want:>Rudhan, I think most here hadn't heard of your program. From looking at the screenshot it looks very interesting. I'm going to d/l it and I'll try it out when I get finished with another project I'm currently messing with.>As for features, I think what many want is a way to make flight plans from scratch without to much trouble.YES, hopefully easy enough>To be able to start a new flightplan proiject inside the program, select a aircraft from a list of installed aircraft, select the starting and leg airports from a list of installed airports, have the program calculate times for them and then compile the traffic file without to much hassle.YES>This is what many people are looking for but doesn't seem to exist. Most programs require a lot of work outside of them to get anything done, or require an existing flightplan to work with. Please let me know what you think and if you find something strange or something you what changed. I usually fix bugs rather quick, enhancements takes a little longer./Tomas

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Thanks to everyone who offered a reply.AI Schedule seems to be a much nicer product,and it's fully functional with FS9, a situation that does not exist with A.I.T.M.Don't even remember how I discovered AI Schedule but here's the link if anyoneelse would like to check it out:http://rudh.mine.nu/AISchedule/The author is a very pleasant fellow. Respondsto questions. He lives in Sweden.But be aware you'll need the newer Microsoft.NET version 2.0 to run AI Schedule. No big deal. .NET doesn't cost anything but timeto download. Considering what Microsoft chargesfor its products, I really enjoy those free downloads.Here's the link for .NET v 2.0http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...&displaylang=enThis allows you to download the complete package to your HD, and thenrun the installer offline. There is the usual option to install itas it downloads, but I never liked that, and don't have the link, as it is totally different. AI Schedule has seen dozens and dozens of updates, patches, fixes,improvements, etc. Don't know why it has remained hidden in thecloset, but I just thought I'd throw this out in case someoneis conducting a search. I would have thought the fellows at Abacus, or Flight One, or something similar would have developed a first class, payware program for AI flight plans, considering the fantastic popularitythat sprang up around the AI aspect of Flt Sim. That is why I originally posted, thinking that someone had such a product, but it never occurred to me to just call Abacus and ask them. They don'thave any such payware product, which is a huge surprise. Anyway, thanks for the suggestions.JoeD850Emv2 mobo500mb 800mc Rambus memGeForce graphics350w Enermax Whisper PS19" Samsung 950P mon.

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Hi,Don't get me wrong, I think you have a great program here. I just can't find some things I need it to do for me that AITM can do. If you can tell me how to get them that would be great.1. I have over 80 airline flightplan files in separate folders that I need to keep separate (and with their original names), but I release to the public in one large traffic file. They all have the planes starting at #1. I need to keep them separate and easy to find because I hand edit or recompile (MRAI) the files individually sometimes. Thus I need a way to take 80 existing flightplan files and combine them into one quickly and easily. AITM's Project function does that for me.2. I haven't tried creating and printing a timetable for a given airport from only my 80 flightplan files (in #1) without any GA files included. Can I do that and will I have a concise list of each arrival and departure in the printout?3. How do I reorder this timetable list in airline order, flightplan order, etc. and then print it out?Thanks,--Tom GibsonCal Classic Propliner Page: http://www.calclassic.comFreeflight Design Shop: http://www.freeflightdesign.comDrop by! ___x_x_(")_x_x___

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This is exactly the kind of feedback I want, not said that I will implement everything. :-)Situation number 1 is actually covered by AISchedule, you load the first flight plan file and then append the others. AISchedule will offer to correct the aircraft numbers, as duplicate aircraft numbers is not allowed within a flight plan file, but as long as you do not save, you don't have to correct that. What AISchedule cannot do is remember the file set as a project.Try number 2 and see what AISchedule can do for you, the print function is quite worked through.AISchedule works in three modes, airport, registration number or flight number. I am not quite sure what you want to achieve in number three.

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Hi,OK, so can I do #1 if I use Save As and save the loaded files into a single file with a different name? My old files will be kept intact and I will have a new file with all the flightplans (and an aircraft.txt file with all the aircraft renumbered)?Also, can I save this list of 80 appended files with a name, so I can load them instantly next time? Can I get a listing of the files included, so I can know which ones are in there already? I wasn't clear on this from your web page (I've downloaded it again and will try this).In #3 I am often looking for the mix of aircraft that a certain airline flies into a given airport (so I want the list sorted by airline), how many of a certain aircraft type fly into the airport (so I want the list sorted by aircraft type), or some other analytical thing. As I understand it, your reg# and flight# modes list all the flights - I only want the flights into that airport. BTW, printing is less important than viewing on the screen. AITM lets you do this by clicking on the heading names to re-sort any list.Thanks,--Tom GibsonCal Classic Propliner Page: http://www.calclassic.comFreeflight Design Shop: http://www.freeflightdesign.comDrop by! ___x_x_(")_x_x___

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>Hi,>>OK, so can I do #1 if I use Save As and save the loaded files>into a single file with a different name? My old files will>be kept intact and I will have a new file with all the>flightplans (and an aircraft.txt file with all the aircraft>renumbered)?Yes!>>Also, can I save this list of 80 appended files with a name,>so I can load them instantly next time? Can I get a listing>of the files included, so I can know which ones are in there>already? I wasn't clear on this from your web page (I've>downloaded it again and will try this).No, I believe this is the project function. It would probably not be to hard to implement, I would appreciate any ideas you have how this should work.>>In #3 I am often looking for the mix of aircraft that a>certain airline flies into a given airport (so I want the list>sorted by airline), how many of a certain aircraft type fly>into the airport (so I want the list sorted by aircraft type),>or some other analytical thing. As I understand it, your reg#>and flight# modes list all the flights - I only want the>flights into that airport. BTW, printing is less important>than viewing on the screen. AITM lets you do this by clicking>on the heading names to re-sort any list.AISchedule main page is showing everything in cronological order, any sorting or filtering would make the graph useless. My thought here would be to make another window with only a list, where you can filter and sort the view in different ways.Guys, you have a golden opportunity to get what you want! Post your ideas here, we can discuss them for a while and then I will fire up my compiler.>>Thanks,>-->Tom GibsonThank you!/Tomas>>Cal Classic Propliner Page: http://www.calclassic.com>>Freeflight Design Shop: http://www.freeflightdesign.com>>Drop by! ___x_x_(")_x_x___

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Hi again,OK, so the stumbling block for me is the lack of a Project function. I can create the master file, but have to click the Append menu 80 times each time to do it.I would like a way to make a list of the files loaded and save that list for future use. Here is one way to do it, although many other schemes would work as well. Add an item to the File menu called Create/Modify File List. When invoked, it would open an empty list window. Using an Add button you could add a flight plan file (flightplansxxx.txt) to the list. There should also be a Remove button. As you add them they would be added to the visible list. AITM also includes a user editable name for each item on the list (i.e. "United Airlines Summer 06"), and the path to the given file. Those aren't absolutely necessary for this. There would also be Load and Save buttons to load existing Files Lists, and to save them. A Close button would close this window, or you could just tell people to use the red X if that is your preference.Another File menu item would be Open File List. This would load all the flight plan files in the list into AI Schedule. Then AI Schedule would act on these files as usual. The File/Save As choice would save these files into a single large file if desired as it does now.Yes, a button could be added to the main screen saying something like Sortable List, and this new screen could come up with a sortable list of the current list contents. That would work fine for me.Hope this helps,--Tom GibsonCal Classic Propliner Page: http://www.calclassic.comFreeflight Design Shop: http://www.freeflightdesign.comDrop by! ___x_x_(")_x_x___

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Hi,I think you are very close - I only have two comments. First, if the Open... menu item loads the flight plan files into AI Schedule, then that should be Load... to match the menu choice in the main File menu. Makes it clearer that you are loading the text files into the program and not opening the Project to edit it. And if this is true I'm not sure what the Save menu item would do - save any flightplan changes back into the multiple files that makes up the project? That sounds like a lot of work. AITM cannot do this. You must merge the files and then File/Load the merged file. And the Save As... menu item could be called Merge... instead, which would bring up a box to ask for the new name of the merged flightplan file. AITM also has a Compile choice, but I assume that your normal TCompile function (with the Project loaded) could do that.Second, if you are going to call the menu item Manage... (sounds fine to me), then the menu bar of the resulting window (I assume the window in the bottom picture) should be titled Manage Project to keep things consistent. And yes, it needed an Edit button too, if there will be any user changeable information (like the "name" entry). Good catch. Otherwise I think it will work great!Feel free to email me - tgibson at sunstroke dot sdsu dot eduat = @dot = .Hope this helps,--Tom GibsonCal Classic Propliner Page: http://www.calclassic.comFreeflight Design Shop: http://www.freeflightdesign.comDrop by! ___x_x_(")_x_x___

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Thanks! I will continue on this track, we can continue our discussions over email instead than here.I will post as soon as I have a new release.If anyone else has ideas, questions or thoughts, please post them or email me./Tomas

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