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Hi guysThe comprehensive Gforce3 tweak guide available on this forum is a super piece of work........congratulations to the author.My question is do these tweaks work for Gforce4 cards? I am running windows xp with a Gforce Ti4200 card with 41.09 drivers and the results are ok but like most simmers I want more;)

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Probably couldn't hurt to try. Just remember your settings so you can go back to them if you're not pleased.I agree that the doc was very well done. It looked very professional and I was slightly suprised when I downloaded it. Very informative, especially for the newbie.Lobaeux

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Thank you both very much for the kind comments with respect to my guide - it very much appreciated.I have received numerous emails stating that these tweaks also work very well with GeForce 4 cards and - though I do not own one myself - and have now reason to disbelieve this.(Certainly the hints with respect to FS2002.cfg and vis settings will assist you in a fairly pronounced fashion)By all means, give it a try and see if it works for you. If not then at least the stepping stone is in place for you to work towards the settings you prefer.Glad you liked the guide!Andrew Tingle

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Sorry guys - I made a spelling error in the last post - "I have received numerous emails stating that these tweaks also work very well with GeForce 4 cards and - though I do not own one myself - and have **now** reason to disbelieve this."Ops - I meant: no reason to disbelieve this.Sorry - feedback re. GeForce 4's has been very, very positive.Next time I will readback my posts a little more carefully OR spend less time in the pub :-beerchugAndrew

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Hello everybody,Andrew, I also would like to join this thread and congratulate you for an excellent and very helpful document. :-beerchugAlthough I haven't used it (yet), I know I will very soon, just wanted to ask you if your guide works also for the old GeForce 2 MX440. And what driver should I use.I would like to tell you and to everybody a short story about something that happened to me a month ago.Before, these are my specs:Pentium IV (Celeron) 1.7 GHzMotherboard Intel D845EBG2256 Mb RAM (DDR)40 GB Hard DriveOn-board SoundGeForce 2 MX440 64 Mb/NVIDIA driver (29.42 before) (41.09 now)Windows XPDirectX 8.1FS2002 proOK, this is what happened:I used to run my sim with a resolution of 800x600x16 and always got like 7-10 fps (locked at 15) in any default scenery with AA OFF, all the sliders at MAX but Water reflections and Cast shadows OFF. Usually, each time I pressed the ALT key to access the menu within FS2002, the panel turned purple and eventually, FS crashed to the desktop. The only way to avoid this was setting the resolution to 32 bits, but this caused a noticeable drop in the FPS. Of course, I wasn't happy with the results. :-grrThen, reading all the posts in this forum I decided to play a little with my video card's settings and try others drivers. I downloaded the 41.09 and installed it as usual. Then, in the driver's properties screen, in the OppenGL Settings tab, I CHECKED the box "Disable support for enhanced CPU instruction set".Went back to FS2002, for my surprise, I noticed that the FPS were steady at 15, then I changed the resolution to 32 bits...a small drop in the FPS occurred. Went back to 16 bits, locked the FPS at 20, and voila...20 fps. Then changed the resolution to 1200x1024x16 and the FPS were steady at 20. With this resolution I think that the AA is not very important, it could improve the image quality of course, but I can't afford that in this moment, so, I'm happy with my settings now. :DThe odd thing happened two weeks ago. Also, after reading more and more posts about drivers, and FPS, etc, I decided to try others drivers. Before install the others drivers I made a restore point in Windows, just in case.I tried with almost every driver I could find, with all of them the results were as the beginning, unacceptable, doesn't even checking the box that I mentioned above solved any problem. At this point, I was scared, after enjoying 20 fps I found myself in 8 fps again. Thanks god I made that restore point, because that was the only way to get back the 20 fps. I still don't know what went wrong, I installed all the drivers as instructed, I didn't install any other software or hardware while I was doing this experiment, and I'm talking about one or two hours of tweaking. In conclusion, I'm back to 20fps, I'm happy with it, but I don't know why I need more. I will upgrade my computer after FS-COF is released, but for now I would like to try with your guide and see if overclocking my system can improve a little my sim experience. I'm now getting into the VATSIM community and as you probably know, flying online can reduce your FPS a little, I would be happy if I can only get 20 FPS while flying online and in the EXCELLENT Oleksiy Folov's Dash 8. What do you think about this Andrew? Do you think your guide can help me? :-zhelpWhat do you all think? I know there are a lot of pro and veterans simmers here and would appreciate any comment in this matter.Best regards, :-waveCarlos.PS: Sorry for any spelling mistake.

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Carlos,Firstly, thank you so much for your kind comments. Its nice to get compliments.User feedback with respect to your card has been very positive. Certainly the settings with respect to fs2002.cfg and the visibility tweak will not hurt.I would give it a go, if I were you ;)If the results are not to your tastes you can easily get back your original settings.(I even had an email from a 3DFX user you told me that it helped him with FS !)I trust this answers your question.(My email address is in the document if you have any problems.)sincere regards,Andrew

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Thanks to your guide I was able to keep my same fps and get a great improvement on the quality of my graphics.My fs graphics never looked so good :-)thx AndrewFloydCYVR

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:-eek WOW, that was fast Andrew, thank you very much. But I still have a doubt, can I get back to my currently settings with a restore point as I did in the story that I told you before?I forgot to mention it before, but when I was having the problems with the drivers testing (mentioned in the other post) I installed the 41.09 drivers (again) and checked the same box in the settings and that didn't solve the problem neither (even though that solved the problem before). The only way to solve the problem was going back to the restore point that I created before start the drivers testing.I hope it doesn't sounds confusing, but that was a really odd thing and I wouldn't like to loose my 20 fps. ;):-hmmm :-hmmm :-hmmmRegards, Carlos.

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Carlos,In all honesty I cannot promise anything - and it would be foolish of me to do so.Having said that, I am 99.9% confident that, should you not like the results, you can get back your old settings.Moreover - send me an email to andrtin@aol.com and I will help you as much as I can.Out out interest, have you checked you AGP settings - perhaps you could copy a report from dxdiag and send it to my address.I am more than happy to help you to the best of my abilities.Andrew

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I would be very interested in this document. What is the name of it and I'll do a search in the file library for it. ThanksBrian

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I have a Geforce 4 MX440 card. Based on other reviews I decided to go with the latest Omega drivers and then tweaked using your document. I did not make any changes to the drivers themselves but just tweaked the set up. The results were unbelievable. Aircraft such as the Yeo designs USAIR 737-200 that were previously a blurred mess became a highly polished piece of aluminum...amazing. Ground textures were also much better and the panels were crisp and clean. I have a slow machine (PIII 800) so if it can work for me the it will work for you. I did not notice any change in framerates.thanks,Mark.

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I downloaded the 41.09 and installed it as usual. >Then, in the driver's properties screen, in the OppenGL >Settings tab, I CHECKED the box "Disable support for >enhanced CPU instruction set". First, OGL is a completely different API than what FS2k2 uses (D3D) so any and all changes made in the OGL menu will have zero effect on FS2k2.try to understand something about detanator drivers:Lets use the range from 29.xx to current 43.xx ...As per FS2k2 performance There are NO great ...No hardly even small performance differences in them ALL, that is a fact, what is the case however is what many fail to understand how a bad install vs a good clean install can do as well as use of the different settings that usually account for the "great performance" that some claim with every new driver, and in that regard by now with all of the "great" drivers we all wouldn't need a new 9700Pro/GFFX card! :-lolEspecially bad is the little box; "Texture sharpening" (in the D3D menu) make sure this is always unchecked as this doubles what ever settings you have for Anisotropic filtering and will effectly kill your performance. Best to control Aniso manualy (all 4X.XX drivers on up). Do all the reading that you can on what settings do what there is plenty of info out there.guru3d.com is a decent place to start, plenty of docs there.

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Hi Folks,Just wanted to say many thanks to Andrew Tingle for his well written and very usefull GeForce tweak guide. Andrew, your time and effort are well worth it for your excellant contribution to our flight sim community. So far I've only used your fs2002.cfg changes and they really help make my flight simming more enjoyable. Soon, I'll try Riva. Right now I have more distinct textures and at good fps.Thanks again,Howard

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HiCongatulations on an excellent guide. Unfortunatley I ran into a problem but as no one else has mentioned it, it may be more of a problem of my own doing or just a bad file.I downloaded the 29.42 driver, then ran riva tuner, followed the guide but their is no nv4_disp.dll to be found at all anywhere to patch. When I get time I will try a new download. The file I downloaded was a self installing exe file. Even after using Winzip to extract all the files into a temporary directory, I could not see the required DLL. unless it was in the CAB file. (too much of a headache at the moment to try and remember how to open CAB's at the moment)I have got to admit though after just installing the 29.42 driver normally, how impressed I was with the display that I have now got, far superior to the 41.09 driver I was using on my Geforce 2 mx400 Everything is so clear and sharp.Zack LawsProblem sorted, I realised after another go that it is the file that gets highlighted that I need to find and not the one mentioned in the guide. (Obviously the required file must vary according to your system?)

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Hi Zack,Thanks for your feedback.The file that need to be patched is given correctly in the guide. I checked this whilst writing the guide and, whilst writing this response I have checked again just to be sure.Producing the guide for the community was an absolute pleasure, and the feedback in this post (and in this forum) has genuinely touched me.If you have any other issues, Zack, feel free to mail me via private email address - given in the guide - as I am more than happy to help.Andrew

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The win9x file that needs the lod/ansio patch scripts run on it is nvdd32.dll file.Kurt M

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Andrew,As Kurt points out you need to update your guide as different OS's require different DLLs (win98-Me/Win2k-XP).

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Hi,Never occured to me that W9X/ME drivers would require a differing file.Thanks for the tip - appreciated.Andrew

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Hi,I have been trying for some time to install the Nvidia (downloaded from their archive) 29.42 drivers with no luck. I uninstall the prev.driver from control panel and proceed to install the 29.42 drivers.After each install I still see the last drivers installed when I gointo display/properties. I checked and noted that the Nvidia folderstill exists with all the files from the previous driver(s). By uninstalling through the control panel should that not remove all traces of the old drivers.I can install any other driver(s) with no problem, exept the 29.42.Would anybody know why? and how would I remedy this?ThanksHelmut Berger

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HelmutBy what means are you trying to install the 29.42's as this should not be causing you any any problem.Please can you offer more info so I can help (Card type, intall method, etc...)Free free to mail me dirctly is you wish :-)Andrew Tingle

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HiI too have had this problem, for some unknown reason they do not install themselves.My work around is to use winzip to unzip the self installing 29.42 driver into a temporary folder. Change the driver to a standard VGA Uninstall the original driver in control panel, delete the nvidia folder in explorer, run detonator destroyer. Reboot.Aftet boot up:-Go into display properties, select settings, select advanced, select adaptor, select change, select next, select search for better driver, select browse and point it towards your temporary folder and let it install the driver.There is probably an easier way. It is also possible on the reboot to actually get a menu which shows up which will allow you to browse straight away to the tempory folder to install the new drivers, but this does not always happen for some unknown reason.I also find that I need a couple of reboots before I get all the resolutions available ie 32 bit.Zack Laws

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Andrew,Your document is very well thought out and will undoubtely help many. The previous post touched on something I was curious about. In your doc you do not mention "detonator destroyer" as one of the needed programs/files.Is it better to delete, then run destroyer before installing the new drivers? One other question and this is in general, how exactly do you tell which drivers you currently have? Thanks.

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Hi,Personally I do not use the destroyer, so didn't touch upon this is the guide as this can lead to problems (esp. with XP) and the guide was aimed at beginners - if I proceed with an Advanced Guide then I will cover this.To tell what drivers - Right click on desktopGo to propertiesSettingsAdvancedAdapterPropertiesDriverIt will be listed under: Driver revision(this is going from XP)Hope this helps, and thank you for the feedback :-)Andrew

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First, Andrew, may I add my thanks for your excellent efforts. Many of us diehards were already familiar with these tweaks but noone had taken the trouble to lay them out in such a clear and helpful fashion...until now, that is!I have a GeForce4 Ti4400 and before reading your document I had my Anisotropic settings at level 8 and MipMapping level of detail (LOD) at -0.1 These settings produce a particularly nice image and if you are like me and prefer to load extended textures the quality was convincing all the way out to the distance where ground texture detail faded to a subtle blur - just like reality, in fact.Anisotropic level of 8 is fine and eminently achievable with a GeForce4 but there is a small but significant performance hit, so a reduction in this setting is desirable. Your guide suggested trying an LOD setting of -0.8 combined with an anisotropic level of 2. I set the former at -0.8 and the latter at level 4 and was pleasantly surprised to discover that the quality of image was at least as good as it was with my pre-TingleGuide settings.Below are a couple of Before and After images, with Anisotropic level set at 4, captured in a window after applying the LOD setting according to your guide:AF=4 LOD = -0.1http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3e6d361a79250f56.jpgAF=4 LOD = -0.8http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3e6d36e17b46546e.jpgThanks again. Your guide encouraged me to take another look and experiment further.Mike :-wave

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