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FS Shipyards Site Problem ?

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Anyone know what is going on with the FSShipyards site?I keep getting a site unknown error message -I have never had that problem before. I had no problem last week but got the error message yesterday and again today.The address I am trying to use is http://www.fs-shipyards.org/I have tried it with a com extension too with the same error message.

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OPA,Just tried your link and it worked fine !Site acknowledges downtime caused by ISP.JackD

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FS-Shipyards website news!!The FS-Shipyards websitehas now reverted to its original FS-Shipyards .com domain.http://www.fs-shipyards.comAll accounts are unchanged, and still active.However, due to the domain change,on first visiting, you will have to login.

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The last web address Opa posted (fs-shipyards.com) doesn't point to FS Shipyards anymore, however the first web address (fs-shipyards.org) gave me the following message.- FS-Shipyards is temporarily closed -We have temporarily closed the site for some essential maintenance. This shouldn't take too long - please check back soon, apologies for the inconvenience.

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Hi FolksThe FS-Shipyards website is back online.http://www.fs-shipyards.comThough it might take a day or so for the latest DNS changes to propogate to your ISP.My apologies to anyone who recently tried accessing the site.The site had been fully working,but an unauthorized person subsequently attempted to redirect the domain.HTHATBPaul

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Hi FolksThe FS-Shipyards website is back online.http://www.fs-shipyards.comThough it might take a day or so for the latest DNS changes to propogate to your ISP.My apologies to anyone who recently tried accessing the site.The site had been fully working,but an unauthorized person subsequently attempted to redirect the domain.HTHATBPaul
I have been using and downloading from FS-Shipyards for maybe 5 or 6 years and the Domain was always http:fs-shipyards.org and never fs-shipyards.com.So I raise the question to you Paul - basys how did you manage to remove the database from http://fs-shipyards.org which I have always used and also uploaded my files from http://fs-shipyards.org and at no time have I ever used or uploaded anything to what you now call your website.As I uploaded and only ever used http://fs-shipyards.org everyone should be careful as fs-shipyards.com may be the unauthorized website holding files no one ever upload to that website or domain.Sailorjay

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You are right sailorjay as I just did a whois search http://whois.domaintools.com/fs-shipyards.org and how strange that it shows Ian Thatcher as the owner.Everyone that ever uploaded or visited FS SHIPYARDS the website you uploaded to and downloaded from was http://fs-shipyards.org so this apprears to be nothing more than a case of Basys having Hijacked everyones work and files and pretending it all belongs to him.You also only have to look at other well known Flightsim websites such as flightsim.com, simflight.com and they have taken action and removed Basys posts promoting his Hijacked website contents.LONG LIVE THE REAL FS-SHIPYARDS WE HAVE ALL GROWN TO LOVE & ENJOY http://fs-shipyards.org [Edit] I forgot.. the database for FS-Shipyards has been hijacked/stolen by Basys (Paul Donnelly as per whois search of fs-shipyards.com) so there is noting at http://fs-shipyards.org but give it time and the real shipyards will be back in action.I contacted Ian Thatcher as per the whois and as he said, leave your files at the hijacked site as in Paul Donnelly's own words... lets maintain the chain of evidence.RegardsDavid Sheridan

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A Quote from Paul Donnelly's hijacked website FS-SHIPYARDS.COM - The true original fs-shipyards website !Domain Name: fs-shipyards.comCreation Date: 2004-12-29Domain Name: fs-shipyards.orgCreation Date: 2005-05-19 ... ===============================He forgot to add the following:Stolen Date: ????Database Stolen Date: ???Files/Images Stolen Date: ???Also if you do a complete whois search on fs-shipyards.com it was 1st registered to an Ian James Thatcher, the very same person who all the other fs-shipyards website are registered to.http://whois.domaintools.com/fs-shipyards.com ... notice 2 registrars What I find so disappointing is when AVSIM.COM was hacked we all came out in support for Tom and he team but what are we doing here now other than supporting what Avsim.com said it would never tolerate.Davidok..back to photoreal designing

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What I find so disappointing is when AVSIM.COM was hacked we all came out in support for Tom and he team but what are we doing here now other than supporting what Avsim.com said it would never tolerate
David Don't be too quick to judge on a lack of support !It is only now that I, and a lot of other people are finding out exactly what is going on , due mainly to what you have discovered .Give it time for your findings to "do the rounds" and I think you will find plenty of support for Ian and his great site .Mark

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A Quote from Paul Donnelly's hijacked website FS-SHIPYARDS.COM - The true original fs-shipyards website !Domain Name: fs-shipyards.comCreation Date: 2004-12-29Domain Name: fs-shipyards.orgCreation Date: 2005-05-19 ... ===============================He forgot to add the following:Stolen Date: ????Database Stolen Date: ???Files/Images Stolen Date: ???Also if you do a complete whois search on fs-shipyards.com it was 1st registered to an Ian James Thatcher, the very same person who all the other fs-shipyards website are registered to.http://whois.domaintools.com/fs-shipyards.com ... notice 2 registrars What I find so disappointing is when AVSIM.COM was hacked we all came out in support for Tom and he team but what are we doing here now other than supporting what Avsim.com said it would never tolerate.Davidok..back to photoreal designing
Hold on a sec.... I just received an email about this a day or so ago, and frankly haven't had time to look into it. We'll do so and take the appropriate action. Don't be so fast to put the gun to our head, okay?

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Sorry Tom but yes it was a poor use of words and was not meant to come out that way sorry Tom.I decided to do a little more checking on what Paul Donnelly has had to say and found this http://web.archive.org/web/*/fs-shipyards.com Click on Jun 14 2005 and you can see that is the very day Mr Thatcher started the redirection to his ORG website.Yes Mr Thatcher did use the website for a short time but you can see for yourself and even read every single page and then all of a sudden fs-shipyards.com became nothing more than a redirected URL to the main FS-Shipyards.ORG website.You can even read the page where Ian Thatcher is telling everyone that because of limited space and server problems he is moving the website to another server so he can use MK-Portal.It does go to show that with even a very little research Paul Donnelly did in fact hijacket Ian Thatchers website and it's database. Oh and if you have time there is a great deal more information that supports everything I have researched.Dave

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Hello Everyone,I am not here to enter into any sort of Public Debate , it's not my style and never has been.All that counts is I can sit here typing this and know full well that my Personal Integrity is fully intact. I am getting older and really have no time left to bother with these types of matters anymore. For all those people that have supported me, my designs, my websites, etc over the years I would like to say thankyou. This will be my 1st and last Post as I have decided to retire completely from the Flightsim Community. Cheers and Take Care alwaysIan "thatch" Thatcher

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I just now received a message from Ian's wife Tracey, saying that Ian has suffered a heart attack from all of this. He's in hospital right now, but will recover.This is supposed to be a 'hobby', isn't it ????Best wishes to Ian and his family.

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Francois, you're kidding right? That can't be true...oh my goodness. That totaly blows. I hope he's really going to be ok.Mark

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Tracey told me he wrote the message in this thread from his hospital bed in the ICU after he was tended to. No, not kidding I'm afraid.

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Hi FolksPlease see FS-Shipyards - Administrator StatementI'm not going to get into any discussions here regarding Ians' statements or claims.ATBPaul Donnelly(BASys)Admin FS-Shipyards.com
That seems like a pretty crappy thing to post about someone who is reportedly recovering from a heart attack.

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I don't know. If you read the statement it sort of sounds like the kind of urinating contest that occurs from time to time. recall the Project AI situation a couple years ago. Of course it's really unfortunate if it would cause someone great harm and get ill over.scott s..

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Hello, We are here in support of Ian Thatcher's years of hard work as the owner of fs-shipyards.org and as a real life aviator. Like others, I received an email from Tracey today confirming that Ian in fact suffered a heart attack, most likely due to the stress associated with what has happened to his website. I am sure everyone wishes him a full recovery and our thoughts and prayers are with him and his wife. I am here now to help fight for Ian's fs-shipyards.org website and his access to it fully restored. Myself along with other professionals have begun drafting the complaint to the appropriate authority for the "hijacking", "piracy" or whatever title you want to give it. As many have already stated that fs-shipyards.org has been a long time place to upload projects and to download works developed by many. We would like the help of those developers! Please send us an email of the projects that you uploaded to the fs-shipyards.org site as we will be compiling this information to send to the correct authorities. Your help is truly appreciated. Please send to your information to fsshipyardsorg@gmail.com.

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I read the statement that has been placed at your website and I find this:It is with deep regret that following emails to flightsim community members, and posts to various forums, by Ian Thatcher, and others, (some possibly his alter-egos), I now find myself having to defend my actions as administrator of FS-Shipyards and publish, what should have been an entirely personal matter. I'm not an alter ego but yes I do know Ian very well as Ian is married to my sister Tracey and that would make him my brother in law and not an alter ego.Also from your own website: He also caused all web access to FS-Shipyards domains to display a notice that FS-Shipyards was closed permanently, by redirecting the DNS for the default domain, (which he still owned), to a holding-page on a different server on another ISP. As the owner of the default domain which you yourself have verified does this not give Ian the right to do as he wishes with that default Domain.Doing a Domain search the IPS for all the fs-shipyards websites are all exactly the same. NS1.SERVAGE.NET NS2.SERVAGE.NET NS3.SERVAGE.NET NS4.SERVAGE.NETAs of yesterday the IPS for the Default site fs-shipyards.org was changed but not away from the hosting Company Servage.net. The change is only because the Domain Name is being moved to Company (Cheap Domains Australia) and is being dirrected to Ian's other fs-shipyards.net website. NS1.SERVAGE.NET NS2.SERVAGE.NET NS3.SERVAGE.NET NS4.SERVAGE.NETAgain from your own website:Historical - Ian Thatcher created the original FS-Shipyards website. Over the years Ian has hosted FS-Shipyards on various ISPs and domains, Namely - - fs-shipyards.com - fs-shipyards.org - fs-shipyards.net With each of these iterations, those other domains have been configured to redirect visitors to the FS-Shipyards website hosted on the default domain. You have made it very clear on your website that the default domain is http://fs-shipyards.org (owned by Ian Thatcher)Again from the above:It is with deep regret that following emails to flightsim community members, and posts to various forums, by Ian Thatcher, and others, (some possibly his alter-egos), I now find myself having to defend my actions as administrator of FS-Shipyards and publish, what should have been an entirely personal matter. I ask everyone to search every single Flightsim website and Forum and find these posts to various forums. What will you find ... not a single Post anywhere made by Ian excpet for the post above. I am at Ian & Tracey's home right now and I have searched everywhere and the only thing I can find is it is you Paul Donnelly that has made all this Public and never Ian at all.You have posted statements at almost every website you can including statements regarding your ownership of fs-shipyards.com and it's contents so it does appear you have always kept very detailed records of everything as far back as 2005.So I request you post the Statement, Authorisation including the code that is sent for all domain Ownership transfers, the email or statement you say Ian gave you so you could take the steps to do the change of ownership. Somehow I doubt you are able to supply these statements so I really do hope the flightsim community ignore you and those that uploaded files to the default domain http://fs-shipyards.org request they be removed from your website.Update: Further information will be posted later. In brief - Ian retires, Ian instructs ISP to delete FS-Shipyards, Ian closes FS-Shipyards, Ian transfers FS-Shipyards to us and our servers, we reopen FS-Shipyards, Ian transfers 1 of 2 domains, Ian rejoins, FS-Shipyards, Out of courtesy, I elevate Ian to Admin Ian grossly breaches his admin's position of trust. Paul Donnelly (BASys) Administrator FS-Shipyards Owner fs-shipyards.com How kind of you to Elevate the OWNER of the Domain to be an Admin.. I would have thought it should have been the other way around ? Oh yes I remember, you moved the Databases/files from fs-shipyards.org to fs-shipyards.com when Ian questioned you about a forum post. Maybe it's you Paul that has the ego problem as when questioned you spent the nest few days working flat out moving everything so you could control anything and everything in regards to the default domain.At least Ian is at home in bed resting and to be honest that is all that really does count.David Sheridan

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