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Commercial traffic addon worth the money ?

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I have been using PAI for adding traffic to FS9. I would like to know what a commercial title could offer that I don't get with PAI?I have found three titles Traffic , Ultimate traffic and TrafficX (contains an updated FS2004 version). I think I read that the latter could improve performence in FSX. Would that also be true for FS9?Would be interested in comments from people who have used both PAI and a commercial title.

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I do have Ultimate Traffic, I don't see much that it brings you that you can't get from the free sites PAI, WoAI etc etc.However UT is convienent, one Install and all that traffic setup nicely for you. Whereas with PAI, WoIA etc it does take some time and effort having to download and install all those separate packages, files, models etc.I started with UT first, then supplemented the areas UT was missing with PAI, WoIA etc. That was worked out well for me. So these commercial packages I think the real benefit is convienence. That could definitely be worth it for people who don't want to spend a lot of time searching, downloading and installing the free stuff.Regards.Ernie.

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Here is a photo of some of my unzipped PAI files in my install folder,with the PAI installer files(highlighted) unzipped into the same folder. It took a while to do this,but I can now just open the installer,and select all PAI files,and it automatically installs all airlines to CF9.Much better models than any payware out there,and all free!http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/192951.jpg

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I have Traffic2004/2005/XOver time I've replaced all the models with the freeware AIA/EAI/TFS ones as, as mentioned above, the models you get in the payware packages are really quite awful compared to the feeebie ones.However I love the traffic editor that is built into Traffic. Easiest way to add and edit your own traffic.

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PAI packages are so out dated. The schedules are old and the models and paints are old and they show it. I used to use UT, I switched all of my models over to Aardvark and others and got away from PAI/Flight 1 AI models. Now I no longer use UT and manually install schedules and repaints. Doesn't really take too long. I have well over 900 airlines installed. With a little work and using the current schedules available on AVSIM, you can get a good AI setup.

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What about this advertised description for MyTraffic X'The AI traffic corresponds to the real life air traffic throughout the world. Take-offs and landings take place with the correct aircraft types and airlines on each airport.'Does this also apply for PAI?

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What about the amount of traffic? At newark KEWR I only saw three aircraft with default traffic and traffic slider 90%. With PAI I only saw a few more. In some screenshot for commercial titles I have seen significantly more planes.

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I spent 2 years working for PAI. At that time they were the best thing going. But with more modellers and more time better models starting popping up.At the end of my stint the first Ultimate Traffic package used the PAI models but with different textures.Not sure what the later UT packages use.If you want simplicity with what I think are the best models for commercial airlines today, then you need World of AI.If you want to manually add aircraft there are several ways to go.The Fruit StandAIAardvark.And a few more that I can't recall.If you want military. From F16's to Apaches, to Air Force 1, then hop on over to MilitaryAIWorks.MAIW has released almost a dozen new AI specific models this year alone. The latest being the hobbys first AI specific helicopter.Some packages even include custom scenery by the best designers in the business.And all MAIW packages have self installers.Suffice to say, there is no need to spend your hard earned cash on payware traffic when you can get the best for free.MAIWAvatarBig.png

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For realistic AI I just make my own, it's pretty easy to do using the tools that are available, and you use whatever aircraft you wish for looks, framerates, etc.1. Download latest airline timetable info(pdb file)from http://www.fedtravel.com/PDA.asp?Flights=Y...&Hotels=&Home=Y2. Use PDBReader (google search PDBReader.zip, still available through ProjectAI forum last time I checked)to put THAT file into the format needed to be read by...3. MRAI FlightPlan Compiler(Avsim?). And once any errors(missing/extra flights from timetable)are corrected you are ready for..4. TTools(Avsim?). Which will create bgl file for/into flight simulator.5. AITM(V2.0 for FS9) Great for viewing, sorting, editing, add/delete/merge flight plans. Seems like a lot of work, and for some(especially larger)carriers it's a pain because of mistakes in their schedules. I use a freeware text editor(PSPad)to help find/do corrections to the flight plans that have errors. Have done pretty much all of the airline/commuter flights for the U.S.(ONLY)using this method for the last two spring/summer and fall/winter sessions, and also update(because the airlines do)periodically during the season. All depends I guess on how much time/work you are willing/able to spend on the project if it's worth it or not. It took me a couple of weekends to get them all done.Definitely learned to appreciate the work that MRAI/others put into creating the programs/flight plans for us to enjoy realistic AI. They truly made Flight Simulator "As Real As It Gets", for me anyway.BTW, I currently have about 600,000 flight segments(USA departure/arrivals only)so I had to do a lot of STAR method(multiple runway usage)to major airports AFCAD's to help with traffic flow during peak hours. Also use a batch file to easily convert AI aircraft textures to DXT1(smaller file size/better frame rates).

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Um, what? Are you accusing AI Aardvark of piracy?Are you not thinking of the pirated Skai and Adobe crap?Ultimate Traffic still uses PAI models, but it is not the models that make that package interesting. That would be mostly the schedule data and the program itself. UT contains more airlines than WOAI and PAI combined. And everything is current to Summer 07. Unfortunately, they will release no further schedule updates, but it's still a good base to begin with. Replace all the models with the better freeware models available. Then assign all the textures you can find. Then add some cargo and charter plans, then replace some UT 07 plans with more up-to-date ones from AIG for example. Then add all UGA and MAIW packages. Then you have screen shots filled with AI. Of course, it takes quite a bit of time and effort to get there, but it's worth it in my opinion. :D

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>And let it be known that AI Aardvark contains pirated>models.>>Jim>I never knew that Jim. That's quite surprising.MAIWAvatarBig.png

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>Suffice to say, there is no need to spend your hard earned>cash on payware traffic when you can get the best for free.>Yes I think I will stay with PAI at least for the time being. Otherwise I do think the commercial titles has something extra to offer for example the time machine feature in Mytraffic.

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Phew ! Good.I was starting to feel guilty about all those AIA stuff I have.Regards.Ernie.

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>What about this advertised description for MyTraffic X>>'The AI traffic corresponds to the real life air traffic>throughout the world. Take-offs and landings take place with>the correct aircraft types and airlines on each airport.'>>Does this also apply for PAI?No - My Traffic uses represational flight plans. Right airline, right airport - but not on the airline schedule.PAI uses flight plans based on real world data - admittedly old by now - some date from 2003, most from 2004 & 2005.That is the main difference it the traffic programs.Ultimate Traffic and freeware PAI and the newer World of AI use realistic flight plans.My Traffic and Traffic 2004/5... use representational flight plans. Both MYT and T2004 have some realistic flights - but a small percentage of the total.You should also know that Ultimate Traffic was developed with extensive help from the PAI team back in FS2002 days. The Ultimate Traffic models are the PAI models.Just Flight (Traffic 2004) also participated in the development effort and used some of the models, though most have been replaced at this point.My Traffic is a labor of love by Burkhard Renk - a very dedicated individual.Personally, I use WoA, PAI in a few cases - the DHL and FDX feeders are great, the C-17 packages cannot be beat - for the 40-50% of the world's small airlines not covered by WoA & PAI and a few majors - Ultimate Traffic flight plans. I've replaced almost all the UT default repaints and aircraft models with better ones individually.But I have to admit one thing - if you want support and help - My Traffic cannot be beat.

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>What about the amount of traffic? At newark KEWR I only saw>three aircraft with default traffic and traffic slider 90%.>With PAI I only saw a few more. In some screenshot for>commercial titles I have seen significantly more planes. >The amount of aircraft you see at an airport is only partially based upon the AI program/ flight plans you have.You must add parking to those airports to support the level of your flight plans.The FS2004 default KEWR has parking for 14 aircraft B737 sized, 9 aircraft B767 sized and 3 larger aircraft, along with 5 large cargo spots.All three commercial programs provide 1,500 to 2,500 AFCAD files which will provide sufficient parking for the AI aircraft in their flight plans. Not great AFCAD files with real world gate assignment - but good enough to keep the AI flowing.It's a little more difficult for freeware. There is a good package of the original PAI AFCAD files available on their web site - which can be used with any traffic program or personally created AI. But otherwise it's searching the file library sites like Avsim.Second IssuePAI and WoA have worked hard to try and develop packages for the regional airline affiliates of the major airlines across the world.This is a big issue for the US because of the high percentage of traffic which is flown by these regional jets and turboprops.It is also a challenge because the real world major airlines change the companies which fly their regional flights frequently in some cases.WoA has packages for Lufthansa Regional partners, Alitalia Express, KLM Cityhopper and a few others outside the US. No one has ever done a package of all the Air France regional affiliates.For the US - WoA has Northwest Airlink, Midwest Connect, American Eagle, American Connection, US Airways Express.What you will not get for KEWR are Delta Connection, Continental Express and Continental Connection, United Express.You will have to do those manually, or use a commercial package to fill in until WoA can create those packages.

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>Personally, I use WoA, PAI in a few cases - the DHL and FDX>feeders are great, the C-17 packages cannot be beat - for the>40-50% of the world's small airlines not covered by WoA & PAI>and a few majors - Ultimate Traffic flight plans. I've>replaced almost all the UT default repaints and aircraft>models with better ones individually.>So it's possible to use them together. Is it simple or does it need much work? Do you have a link to this WoA? Is it as simple as picking something there and install it after my PAI install?

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>>The FS2004 default KEWR has parking for 14 aircraft B737>sized, 9 aircraft B767 sized and 3 larger aircraft, along with>5 large cargo spots.>After setting up PAI I counted some 11 planes at KEWR. Then there of course is a issue with performence. More planes heavier tax on performence.

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The first question is how did you install the PAI packages - in one big traffic file, or as individual airline traffic files?If you have individual traffic files - it is every easy. Just install the WoA packages - and remove the traffic file for any duplicate airlines.For example Southwest Airlines in the US - the WoA package is flightplans, aircraft models and repaints from the Summer of 2007 (package released 1 Feb 08). The PAI packages if flight plans from 2004.If you have ONE BIG traffic file - it will be harder. If you have the PAI zips available, I'd recommend you move all your PAI traffic to a folder outside FS and install the airlines one by one - always take the WoA airline over the PAI version of the airline.WoA has an installer which is necessary to add their packages. Most people use it to add the aircraft and traffic files automatically. But you can just use it to unzip the files to a temp folder and install the aircraft and flight plans manually if you wish.Unlike the PAI installer, the WoA installer is very, very good at making changes when update packages for airlines are released.http://www.world-of-ai.com/http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID...&Go=Change+ViewOne note - take Northwest Airlines or Air France - You will see recent updated packages for those airlines available from WoA. You do NOT need to install the older version and then apply the update. The update is a complete install when used alone.

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Remember that FS2004 and FSX work with a large Active AI zone.When you are at KEWR, other airports including KJFK, KLGA, KHPN, KFRG, KTEB, KMMU and many more will be active. You may have as many as 600 AI aircraft active in the area at the same time.One of the biggest performance hits is not having enough parking at all those airports. Not having parking spots forces the program to spend more resources on trying to park the aircraft over and over and over.

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>One of the biggest performance hits is not having enough>parking at all those airports. Not having parking spots forces>the program to spend more resources on trying to park the>aircraft over and over and over.>Yes I have noticed that the New York area is very hard on performence. So is it new AFCAD files I need for the airports and will that solve the stuttering and low fps?

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