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The DEATH of Meigs Field?!

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Check out the "Friends of Meigs" website, and you can see a live webcam of the runway with big trenches in the form of "X's" across the runway. Tim13

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Here's another link for info:http://www.wbbm780.com/asp/ViewMoreDetails.asp?ID=20763And, according to our reporter, The FAA says it knew nothing in advance. Evidently, the "deal" Mayor Daley had with the former governor to keep Meigs open for 25 years was only a handshake, nothing on paper. Initial reaction is that a court challange probably would not stand. btw, there are a dozen light aircraft parked at Meigs...with no way to get out, except for a taxiway which some are suggesting could be used a temporary takeoff ramp...anyone working on a patch?one more thing...the drumbeat has already started locally to position Gary as the logical replacement for Meigs. Sherm

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...and I thought Providence, RI had an unethical mayor.Wouldn't mind seeing Daley join our Cianci in the federal pen for his underhanded acts. I seriously hope that legal action works in the airport's favor, however doubtful. I'd like nothing more than to have a court rule that the airport was destroyed illegally, and the city have to fix 'er up. Nice new pavement. Dare to dream, I know.Looks like taxiway takeoffs for the stranded aircraft!-Greg

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Also check www.aopa.org and www.eaa.org for news from the GA community.I personally feel that no airport in or around the Chicago area should be a candidate for the new default in Century of Flight. Chicago is no friend of aviation and should not be recognized at all.My personal choice for a new default would be Cincinatti's Burke Lakefront (KBKL) - the next best lakefront airport - although that airport is under fire as well from local politicians.What really ####### me off is that I was planning on flying to Oshkosh this year and stopping at Meigs along the way. As it stands now, I'm going to have to flight plan my way around Illinois. I refuse to pay a dime in taxes through any business or service in that state that might remotely wind up in Mayor Daley's coffers.Boycott Chicago!!

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It looks to be about 16 or so GA planes sitting on the south apron. I suppose a taxi takoff will work. This whole situation could get ugly when the aircraft owners, AOPA, the FAA, Vendors at the airport, etc get their say and legal actions. sad, very sad.See ya,Kathy.Born to Fly.My Dad, Me, My Son.____________________http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3e8870533d8954f8.jpg

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and this is a free country, give me a break. They agreed to keep meigs till 2006 and now this????? homeland security...... right, it's so sad:(

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>Cincinatti's Burke Lakefront (KBKL)Cincinnati's not on a lake. I think you mean Cleveland.

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This has got to be the worst hate crime in aviation history. Why the heck would you destroy millions in annual income and the only logical acess to chicago's downtown / eastside. The point of that airport was to save passengers the hour it takes to get from O'hare or Midway. The mayor is a real A$$ and should be locked up. Does anyone know if there are any jets or turboprops stuck there.

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I just called Channel 12 news in Milwaukee, WI and told them about this event and they didn't know. So if you live up here in Milwaukee, you just might see it on the noon, 5 and 10 news. I hope that they send the news chopper to get pics.

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A very agitated Mayor Daley is holding a news conference as I type this. In clipped language, he reiterates his determination that meigs poses a risk to the city...saying, among other things, that having a control tower at meigs is no protection for the city because it is..."not armed." Daley says the city notified the FAA and Dept of Homeland Security. Asked about the middle of the night move to tear up the runway, Daley denied it was 'stormtrooper" tactics...asked again why he did not do it during daylight, Daleyis saying as I type this that it was appropriate action, and another city official says that for people in the hi rise bldgs near the lakefront, the action is not soon enough. asked when decision to destroy meigs was made Daley says, the decision was..."made appropriately in the last few days." he denies any subtrafuge in not announcing it when the decision was made... just another business as usual day in Chicaaga....Sherm

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you have to admit it is a threat to downtown Chicago. Ever since the first version of FS we've known that it only takes about 30 seconds to take off on Rwy 36 and crash into the Sears tower. I don't see anyway to eliminate that possibility. Some sicko could load their plane with explosives, stop at Meigs for fuel and 30 seconds be on their way to Mecca (or hell, more likely). What makes it the most unique airport in the US, IMO, also makes it one of the riskiest from a homeland security viewpoint. I don't support Daley one bit for his lack of backbone in debating this through proper channels. I hope AOPA can nail him somehow, but I think if this had gone through proper channels the public would have turned against Meigs. I'm sure this will be a very unpopular opinion here but I think it is important to look at this from both sides.David

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I would just like to point out that there is a VFR cooridor that runs along the lakeshore with a ceiling of 2500' msl. It passes right over the airport, so whats stopping someone from loading up an airplane with explosives and stopping for fuel at Palwaukee or Gary (Indiana) and then flying onto downtown chicago. It only takes 15mins from either of these two airports and would burn less than 4 gallons of gas using just about any piston single. And as far as turbines go....there would be only about 50 gals out of the tanks....not a big differnce. So why did the mayor destroy Meigs......cause he's a selfish, self centered mobster that will never see office again.

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I'm forever mixing up Cleveland and Cincinatti ... I did indeed mean Clevaland's Burke Lakefront airport ... I only hope Ohio will forgive me :-)

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>you have to admit it is a threat to downtown Chicago. I certainly don't agree with this assessment. People who discuss GA airplanes as potential terrorist weapons are missing a few points ...#1 - Even loaded to the gills with explosives, a 172 will just not be able to inflict much damage to anything bigger than a single family house. (see the images of a 172 hanging from a building in Tampa January 2002 ... now imagine it loaded with dynamite and taking out two windows)#2 - This seems to be the one everybody misses ... The value of any terrorist attack is not the amount of damage, but the amount of fear caused by the attack. Airline passenger jets were chosen as much for their terror effect on the flying public as for their value as weapons. How many people were terrorized when Charles Bishop flew his Cessna into a building in Tampa? Remember the Cessna that tried to crash into the White House (and took out a Magnolia tree!)? The general public doesn't fly in private planes .. what happens to a private airplane is of no consequence to the average Joe. Therefore there is no real value to using a small, private airplane as a weapon of terror!!!#3 - Terrorists choose simple methods because they are the most reliable. Knives and box-cutters to hijack a plane; suicide bombers on a bus. Loading a plane with explosives requires a private hanger to hide the plane, a way to sneak the explosives onto the airport, a way to wire the plane to detonate the explosives at just the right time, etc. All-in-all way to much opportunity for something to go wrong.Mayor Daley doesn't even believe the terror angle ... he is simply using public fear to further his own political agenda.

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Right on Martin!I am not exactly sure of the status of meigs yesterday, but how would you like to be the guy who flew into Meigs for a business meeting yesterday, only to find his plane effectively impounded overnight without due process?Or the charter guy who did same, only to be out of business today because the Mayor is using an excuse of a perceived threat to further his original plan, which was to dismantle Meigs to build a park?This won't be big news on the cable news channels because they are wall to wall war coverage right now, and unfortunately, will be for the near future. This in itself is problem as there are quite a few hum dingers being slipped on us unnanounced in the name of "Homeland Security". For example: The TSA now has the authority to have your Airman Certificate lifted on the spot if they deem you a security threat. There are no established guidelines that I can see and your only recourse is to apply for reinstatement to ...the TSA.If the FAA pulls your cert, you get notice and an opportunity to appeal to the NTSB. Not so with the new TSA mandate. Don't tick off the TSA people is all I can say.Regarding the Mayor pulling his midnight stunt in the name of Homeland Security, well, I believe it was ol' Ben Franklin who said something along the lines of "He who accepts a little loss of liberty to gain security deserves neither".I expect AOPA Pilot and Flying at the least will have the new view of Meigs on their front covers in the next issue. The Mayor has made an egregious error in judgment and I expect it will come to haunt him.BC

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>you have to admit it is a threat to downtown Chicago. Ever >since the first version of FS we've known that it only takes >about 30 seconds to take off on Rwy 36 and crash into the >Sears tower. I don't see anyway to eliminate that >possibility. Some sicko could load their plane with >explosives, stop at Meigs for fuel and 30 seconds be on >their way to Mecca (or hell, more likely).Gee, it only takes a few minutes more from the following airports: Waukegan, Palwaukee, O'Hare, Midway, Schaumburg, Naper, Clow, Boilingbrook, Brookeridge, Lewis, Lemont, Lansing, Lake in the Hills, Aurora, Dupage, Joliet, Howell-New Lenox, Merriville, Campbell, Landings, Poplar Grove, McHenry, etc. Should we close all those airports too? Heck, what's to stop a terrorists from taking off from an airport in Wisconsin, Iowa, or Indiana, and flying to Chicago? Should we close all the airports in those states too? Come on, who are you kidding?Closing Meigs does nothing to prevent a plane from taking off from another airport and flying into a downtown building.

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A Mack truck, or for that matter a Ryder rental truck, can hold many more pounds of explosives than an aircraft capable of a gross weight takeoff from Meigs. I guess Daley better bulldoze the entire Chicago loop, just to be safe.Dan

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Speaking of SubLogic fans, everyone remember the first Meigs field! Green with white lines that you couldnt tell where the heck you were! You had to use the print screen button to bring up the overhead view to move around the airport.We could just edit the scenery with the newley dug trenches. Short field landings on the taxiway only! :-)Sad to see it go. Its has been the default airport ever since I can remeber.J. BirchCFI,CFII,MEIMobile, ALwww.clearedasfiled.com

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>This has got to be the worst hate crime in aviation history. >Why the heck would you destroy millions in annual income and >the only logical acess to chicago's downtown / eastside. The >point of that airport was to save passengers the hour it >takes to get from O'hare or Midway. The mayor is a real A$$ >and should be locked up. Does anyone know if there are any >jets or turboprops stuck there. Chuck Forcey, the owner of Laz-Z-Boy has his Merlin III twin turbo there. Normally it is kept at KGYY, but he'd left it there while in downtown Chicago on business over the weekend.He's not a very happy man at the moment... We're not sure yet if he'll be able to use the taxiway for a T/O, or whether it will have to hauled on on a lowboy... :(

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