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Has anyone purchased and installed the new CH Products Eclipse yoke? How does it compare to old CH yoke for FSX? I see it has "paddles" that can be used for rudder control - can they also be programmed to do other FSX functions? Is it necessay to use the CH software or can all the features be assigned in FSX and/or FSUIPC?Dale

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DaleYou do not need to run the CH Control Manager software. FSX and/or FSUIPC is fine. CHCM in direct mode vcan help with Reverse thrust but is NOT needed.On the ch-hangar forums all the comments seem to be posistibve with most saying it has a much better build than the old yoke.I'm saving up for one!!PeterH

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DaleYou do not need to run the CH Control Manager software. FSX and/or FSUIPC is fine. CHCM in direct mode vcan help with Reverse thrust but is NOT needed.On the ch-hangar forums all the comments seem to be posistibve with most saying it has a much better build than the old yoke.I'm saving up for one!!PeterH
Thanks Peter,I ordered the new Eclipse yoke this AM. My old yoke still works, but I think I will retire it to my old computer. It's lasted me through 2 computers over a span of 5 years, so I'm sold on CH Products reliability.Dale

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Thanks Peter,I ordered the new Eclipse yoke this AM. My old yoke still works, but I think I will retire it to my old computer. It's lasted me through 2 computers over a span of 5 years, so I'm sold on CH Products reliability.Dale
Dale Good to hear. Let us know what you think about the yoke!!RegardsPeterH

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Thanks Peter,I ordered the new Eclipse yoke this AM. My old yoke still works, but I think I will retire it to my old computer. It's lasted me through 2 computers over a span of 5 years, so I'm sold on CH Products reliability.Dale
Agreed!I have a CH Fighterstick USB, CH Pro Throttle, and CH Pro Pedals. The CH product is far superior in terms of precision compared to my Cougar and has lasted me a long time. On a side note, I have actually retired my Cougar. In fact, I only used it about 1 month before I had the chance to get the CH setup and have loved CH ever since. I was going to get the Saitek yoke but have never really been a fan of their products. Back in the day, I used to go through a few of their sticks a year. Now the the new Eclipse is out I am very much inclined to makew the purchase.

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Arrrgggggh! I wish I'd never seen this thread! I was furious with CH as this is the yoke they should have come out with in the first place. It finally fixes the rediculous sticking problem, yes, but they kept those STUPID throttle handles on the top? AND they charge $100 bucks more for it?? But with what's been said here the last day or two, NOW I'm thinking I have to get one!! :( And I KNOW the Eclipse was a rush job by CH because of the pressure Saitek tried to put on them over the past couple of years, so it's not like CH even did it as a service to the flight sim community -- we'd been asking for relief for years.And I actually thought I might get through January without a major Flight Sim purchase. Ugh. Who was I kidding? . . . :( :(

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Arrrgggggh! I wish I'd never seen this thread! I was furious with CH as this is the yoke they should have come out with in the first place. It finally fixes the rediculous sticking problem, yes, but they kept those STUPID throttle handles on the top? AND they charge $100 bucks more for it?? But with what's been said here the last day or two, NOW I'm thinking I have to get one!! :( And I KNOW the Eclipse was a rush job by CH because of the pressure Saitek tried to put on them over the past couple of years, so it's not like CH even did it as a service to the flight sim community -- we'd been asking for relief for years.And I actually thought I might get through January without a major Flight Sim purchase. Ugh. Who was I kidding? . . . :( :o
You can get it at Amazon for $183.00 with free FedEx Super Saver shipping. Nice little $67 discount. :(

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You can get it at Amazon for $183.00 with free FedEx Super Saver shipping. Nice little $67 discount. :(
Yeah, Arklight . . . I knowww. :( I ordered it last night, about 10 minutes after posting -- I have Amazon Prime so i'll be here by Tuesday, and only $3.99 more for overnight shiping. :(

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Sounds good, Trelane. Let us all know what you think!I was having trouble deciding between the Saitek Pro and CH Eclipse, but I just read that the Saitek has detents in the elevator and aileron axis. OUCH...........Is this for real, does the Saitek really have detents?

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They do have detents, but they're negligible. My yoke works perfectly, even with detents. And it isn't affecting my feel at all, so I'm completely satisfied. Over one year later, still having fun!Especially with a separate throttle quadrant. Neener neener neener!

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Dale Good to hear. Let us know what you think about the yoke!!RegardsPeterH
Well, I got it today, had it hooked up and working, but it's going back tomorrow. It's the same old CH Yoke problem - the shaft "sticks" and makes small elevator inputs very jerky. I'm an IFR kind of simmer and this just won't work for me. I know how to fix it (I dissasembled my old yoke and sanded and polished the shaft), but at this price, I expect it to be right. I tried some silicone grease made for plastics, but the shaft action was still terrible. I tried using it for several hours, got all the buttons programmed, and hoped it would get better, but no luck. I'm really disappointed in CH - I have their rudder pedals, the throttle quadrant and the fighterstick, and all have worked flawlessly for years, so I know they can make a good product, but the Eclipse Yoke I received is just not acceptable.Dale

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Well, I got it today, had it hooked up and working, but it's going back tomorrow. It's the same old CH Yoke problem - the shaft "sticks" and makes small elevator inputs very jerky. I'm an IFR kind of simmer and this just won't work for me. I know how to fix it (I dissasembled my old yoke and sanded and polished the shaft), but at this price, I expect it to be right. I tried some silicone grease made for plastics, but the shaft action was still terrible. I tried using it for several hours, got all the buttons programmed, and hoped it would get better, but no luck. I'm really disappointed in CH - I have their rudder pedals, the throttle quadrant and the fighterstick, and all have worked flawlessly for years, so I know they can make a good product, but the Eclipse Yoke I received is just not acceptable.Dale
That doesn't sound too good. I just returned my Saitek Pro Flight Yoke due to anoying issues as well. I keep reading about how great it is, but the when I had mine it was just......bad. I think I am just gonna get the CH Eclipse.I am wondering if maybe I just got a bad unit. Here are a list of things I noticed with the Saitek Yoke. 1. The centering was offset to the right and required me to delete an entry in my registry and recalibrate the yoke...............EVERY TIME I RESTARTED MY COMPUTER.2. The elevator movement was NOT smooth. It actually seemed like it needed to be sanded or something along those lines. It also seemed to be "sticky". 3. Solid feel. The actual weight of the unit is very very light and the whole setup just seemed shoddy for some reason. It is tough for me to really explain it...it just didn't seem "right". Maybe this is a culmination of the experiences I have had with this product. 4. The throttle quadrant, while nice that it is seperate, seemed poorly made. The throttle lever had hardly any catch when it got down to the detent at the bottom (the area before passing into the reverser zone).4b. The buttons located below the levers on the throttle quadrant were a mixed bag. 2 of them had a good, solid, "click" when engaged, the other was actually loosey-goosey in the housing.5. Detents for elevator and aileron. This too is a mixed bag. In one way it was nice to have them, in the other sense it felt unrealistic and passing through the detent could potentially cause a "jump" in the elevator movement.6. The clamping system included 1 clamp and "screw thingy" per unit (one for the yoke and then one for the throttle quadrant). Each plastic screw-clamp had a suctioncup-like attachment the end-user places on the end. Once screwed on and clamped down, when it came time to remove, I had to remove the suctioncup-like thing with a screwdriver. You had issues with the CH, I had issues with the Saitek. Why can't this just be easier? l :lol:ol

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It's not you. I had 2 Saitek's both of which I returned because of the random button pushing issue, which has never really been addressed by the company. I do like their foot pedals better than CH's though.I just got my Eclipse on Friday and I like it very much. The axis movement is much smoother, but that's what you'd expect from a flight yoke. I don't understand the design process behind the new button layout -- why replace the the two red buttons on the top of the left grip handle with a SECOND hat switch? -- and the paddles are useless for flight sim unless you use them to replace foot pedals. (They are better than hitting the "." button to stop the aircraft, but get a set of foot pedals if that bugs you!)My advice is to buy the Eclipse from a place that will take returns and give it a try. The only thing that bothers me about it was the price, and the fact that I believe CH should have come out with this smooth working axis design to begin with.Let us know what happens!

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DaleSorry to hear that the Eclipse Yoke was poor. I never had a sticking shaft problem on my old yoke but I can imagine that it will be very frustrating. I thought that CH had fixed that issue you should contact CH products and get a replacement!Good luckPeterH

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The cure for your phantom button press issue of the Saitek yoke: Don't install the moronic 'profiling software'. The worst thing Saitek could do for the yoke was have that CD software that allows 3 assignments per button, contingent on the right finger-wheel's position. I uninstalled the CD software and the problem vanished completely.

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I uninstalled the CD software and the problem vanished completely.
I'm glad that worked for you -- but it didn's work for me. Seems there are a plethora of excuses and solutions to this issue, none of which are either consistent or proven -- as I said, I've had two and nothing worked for me. There are a lot of hidden problems with both the yoke and now their new switch panel that Saitek never seems to deal with or even acknowledge. I especially like the "serial number after XXX" one -- that was rich! :(

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DaleSorry to hear that the Eclipse Yoke was poor. I never had a sticking shaft problem on my old yoke but I can imagine that it will be very frustrating. I thought that CH had fixed that issue you should contact CH products and get a replacement!Good luckPeterH
I thought about returning it to CH, but I purchased it from Amazon.com and their return process is very easy, so I just sent it back and got a refund. I was somewhat taken in by the advertising which said it was made of improved materials, but when I compared it to my old yoke, I couldn't see any difference. On the old yoke, the plastic shaft slides inside 3 plastic bushings, the center bushing is attached to springs. Even a very slight misalignment will cause binding. I did not take the Eclipse yoke apart, but it appears to be the same design.I wasn't entirely satisfied with the switch arrangement on the Eclipse yoke. The second hat switch only functioned as such if you use the CH software. I missed the rocker switch on top of the left handle, as this was a natural electric trim switch. I got the trim wheel in the center section of the yoke to work as a sort of manual trim, but it felt awkward in use. I should say that I prefer to fly with my right hand on the yoke, left on throttles. This makes it easier to use the mouse with my right hand. (in real world flight, I flew the tanker from either the left or the right seat as an instructor)Given enough time I'm sure I would have found a combination of switch assignments that would have worked well enough, but the real test of a good yoke is with autopilot off and making a difficult weather approach (200 ft ceiling w/crosswind) - it's got to be smooth.Dale

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DaleI'm glad that you obtained a refund, I'll let you know my experiences when the Eclipse arrives in the next 2-3 weeks. I'm sure that CH products would be interested in your experience with the yoke as it could be due to poor design or it was a "Friday" joystick.RegardsPeterH

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DaleI'm glad that you obtained a refund, I'll let you know my experiences when the Eclipse arrives in the next 2-3 weeks. I'm sure that CH products would be interested in your experience with the yoke as it could be due to poor design or it was a "Friday" joystick.RegardsPeterH
The action on my new Eclipse IS much smoother than my original CH yoke, no doubt about it. But I surely do miss the button configuration.

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Hi,WRT to the trim, the right hat isn't seen as a POV but just 4 buttons. You can put both X and Y trim on the hat, and it frees up both rockers for other functions in the process. It's worth a try if you prefer trimming with the buttons.Best regards,- BobThe StickWorkshttp://www.stickworks.com

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Gents,As someone who has had CH yokes since 1995 I decided to try the Saitek Pro Yoke and extra throttle quadrant as I felt the Eclipse was very overpriced for what it offered. I've not been disappointed.The issue of phantom button presses was resolved by Saitek some time ago. The steel shaft makes all yokes movements very smooth - much better than my old CH USB Yoke. I have used FSUIPC to calibrate all axes and control is great. No complaints from me at all. :( I suppose the only unknown is how it will stand up in the long term compared to the CH which has always been 100% reliable.

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Hi,WRT to the trim, the right hat isn't seen as a POV but just 4 buttons. You can put both X and Y trim on the hat, and it frees up both rockers for other functions in the process. It's worth a try if you prefer trimming with the buttons.Best regards,- Bob
That's exactly what I've done, Bob. But the box clearly calls them bot "Hat Switches" which certainly means POV to me -- a little false advertising there on CHs part, maybe? lol :(

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Gents,The issue of phantom button presses was resolved by Saitek some time ago.
Oh, NO, Opa! If ANYONE other than you had posted that I would have thought nothing of it. But NOW I have to reconsider -- I've heard that it was resolved before, but was so angry the way Saitek (mis)handled the issue, I swore I would never, ever give them another red cent (schilling?)

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Opa? I'm not Opa, I'm Proudfoot - Ray Proudfoot. :( If you're registered on the Saitek forum this explains the fix. http://www.saitekforum.com/showthread.php?t=13329I've had my yoke and quadrant since late November and haven't seen this problem at all. Hope that helps you make up your mind.
I knew 'dat!! Sorry, Ray, totally spaced on that one . . . I mistyped -- I'm reading other posts here, and trying to work at the same time -- plus I'm a child of the '70s, which is probably self explanatory and should fully explain my occasional lapses into "brain freeze"! In any event I just ordered my THIRD Saitek yoke from Amazon and it should be here Friday just in time for some weekend flying. One of these yokes WILL be returned by this time next week.I meant to type 'Ray'. I respect your opinion, too, Ray. Very much.Wait. That doesn't sound too good, now does it? :( PS. Are the FSUIPC set ups for the Hat Switch for the Saitek the same as with the CH?

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