AirFrance A330 missing

[airboatr 0]

MABThis is the show already on Netflix "Crash of Flight 447"Don't miss it.. there are some very good points made about Airbus and their workings.

[Guest belga1]

Hello,

although they admit no definitive answer can be given without the boxes.

I disagree .....Think twice about the implications of such statementThe BEA have many many clues about what happened and actually all is not yet public.A statement like "no definitive answer without black boxes" is a exoneration of results by the BEA .....Before anything solid was know public about this accident .. the idea as "no black boxes...no answers" was already launched in the media by the BEA !All this stink for sure .. but I'm confident that the new researches in mid February (not conducted this time by the BEA) will be positive.But I dunno if even they find the black boxes ..this will be a great help for have answers ...Many answers are already in the ACARS messages.They are public but not entirely ... some parts were not leaked in the press...

The report on the crash of Flight 447 released Saturday by the Office of Investigations Analysis (BEA) is overwhelming to the European Agency for Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) have failed their mission to maintain security of air transport to its highest level. "EASA and DGAC structures have emerged as heavy, slow, very reactive, so mired in bureaucracy air," said the Director of BEA. "The standards for certification of Pitot probes have been changed in 1995 when Airbus is the finding of inadequacy in 1999 and then again in 2007 when the German BFU EASA then reached the same conclusion." These three dates as an opportunity missed. The BEA is concerned that "the precautionary principle does not benefit passengers, but the industry" and also points the finger at his own shortcomings because "if we had analyzed the many serious incidents precursors, we would have recommended the elimination of the pitot probe Thales defective well before the deadline of 1 June 2009 ". Precision: This statement is obviously a fiction. BEA could not in any case make such a report.

:( Source:http://henrimarnetcornus.20minutes-blogs.frRegards.Gus.

[airboatr 0]

Gus, May I suggest you take your own advice in the first paragraph of your post directed at the men who gave the report on Nova(( Capt. John Cox (Air Safety Expert), Capt. Martin Alder (Airbus Training Pilot),John K. Williams (Atmospheric Scientist)Jim Wildey, (Accident Investigator)Tony Cable (Accident Investigator) )) It was actually John Cox who said, "The only way that we're going to find complete and total understanding of what happened to that airplane is if we are fortunate enough to get the cockpit voice recorder and digital flight data recorder".Write and tell him Gus. I offered a opportunity to view a show with real investigators who have real world experience investigatingthese accidents, not armchair know it all’s who just want to sound as if they do. ...GUS :(

[Guest belga1]

Hello,The experts quoted in the NOVA documentary are not the lone experts on this planet :)I read in the specialised press .. as many also "experts" think that if the black boxes are found it will be a nice complement for certify some of already know clues .. coming fom the ACARS messages.Those experts also estimate (after reviewing the leaked ACARS messages) that those are not complete (they mean .. parts are not lost .. but they are not in the public domain)that the material in hand of the investigators are enough to have the "why and how" of the AF447 accident.Even with black boxes in hand investigators are never sure at 100% what really happend in a aircraft crashThe most important now is not to find the black boxes (the most difficult to find) but instead find some majors parts of the aircraft.If you accept the BEA scenario of the crash .. the parts resulting of the ditching are of some importance Also ...don't forget that those ACARS messages were not make public by AF or BEA or any other office but instead it was a leak.Of course the BEA and AF have the complete ACARS messages and also some other electronic messages never published at today.Also the forensic results of all the bodies recovered are not deeply explained in the BEA preliminary report.The BEA is very cautious about what they make public .. understandable when we know the economic challenges and responsibilities and safety matters that are involved .Regards.Gus.

[vololiberista 205]

Why we need to retrieve the black boxes? We need to know if the crew deliberately chose to fly through the storm. Or not! Everyone else chose to make massive diversions, one even before take-off minutes behind Air France. No parts of the wings were found (as far as I'm aware) did the wing(s) or parts thereof break off. We have no idea.This is like making a detailed explanation of the entire history of mankind by using the evidence of just a handful fossil skeletons!!vololiberista

[airboatr 0]

Hey there Gus, :( You believe what ever you want to believe sweet cheeks.....you read? you read? Read this, I'm not interested in your opinion of what you read. :Talking Ear Off:Like I say if you have a problem with what is said by experts, write them, Now, BYE!!

[mabe54 17]

I agree with Gus. The BEA has been in containment mode (liability looses at minimum possible with saving reputations at unimaginable maximum possible) ever since day one ever since they heard AF447 went down. Three fat cats one missing canary for the BEA to blameless all three. Another executive decision gone ugly awry. Believe it or not, it is not about the money which is the easy part if everything else could go away. But "else" can't or won't go away that easy on this instance.

the Nova episode the writing is on the wall for anybody that cares to read it. They do not finger point anybody verbally. But the images are there. "What's that kid doing on the left chair??? Has anybody called back the Captain yet? Are they flying the airplane or are they wasting precious time trying to find out how to reboot these three digital brains (reengage the Autopilot and the Auto-Throttle) and maybe even read the manual to try to find out what to do? Did anybody remember in that cockpit that the throttles position are as left by humans, meaning no visual cues since they do not move on their own up and down as required at anytime on Airbuses? ,,, and on and on. That is why we need the boxes and/or more debris.The solution for the particular scenario that night presented by Nova was, we know, probably unknown to the crew. A shame really. The big massage from day one back in 1903 has been always and more than ever today: "can someone or something please fly the plane at all times". There were a little more than 4 minutes from beginning to end of intensive hell racing against the unthinkable. And regrettably, it did happened.Cheers,MAB

[jagabom 22]

An interesting watch.JimCYWG

[airboatr 0]

An interesting watch.JimCYWG

Quite,-the wording is completly different from the US version though. :( Can't imagine the reason for this since the video is pretty much they same, I'm sure it's beyond the " two divided by a common language ". thing..... copyrights perhaps ? :(

[vololiberista 205]

The moral in this story is "Avoid thunderstorms at all costs!"vololiberista

[mabe54 17]

The saga continues...http://avherald.com/h?article=41a81ef1/0053&opt=0Cheers,

[vololiberista 205]

The saga continues...http://avherald.com/h?article=41a81ef1/0053&opt=0Cheers,

The moral in this story is "Avoid thunderstorms at all costs!"They didn't!vololiberista

[Guest F4PhantomRAAF2]

I agree with Gus. The BEA has been in containment mode (liability looses at minimum possible with saving reputations at unimaginable maximum possible) ever since day one ever since they heard AF447 went down. Three fat cats one missing canary for the BEA to blameless all three. Another executive decision gone ugly awry. Believe it or not, it is not about the money which is the easy part if everything else could go away. But "else" can't or won't go away that easy on this instance.

In the Nova episode the writing is on the wall for anybody that cares to read it. They do not finger point anybody verbally. But the images are there. "What's that kid doing on the left chair??? Has anybody called back the Captain yet? Are they flying the airplane or are they wasting precious time trying to find out how to reboot these three digital brains (reengage the Autopilot and the Auto-Throttle) and maybe even read the manual to try to find out what to do? Did anybody remember in that cockpit that the throttles position are as left by humans, meaning no visual cues since they do not move on their own up and down as required at anytime on Airbuses? ,,, and on and on. That is why we need the boxes and/or more debris.The solution for the particular scenario that night presented by Nova was, we know, probably unknown to the crew. A shame really. The big massage from day one back in 1903 has been always and more than ever today: "can someone or something please fly the plane at all times". There were a little more than 4 minutes from beginning to end of intensive hell racing against the unthinkable. And regrettably, it did happened.Cheers,MAB

I deeply suspect terrorism as the flight was functioning for some time after loss of radio contact. Radio contact lost can only mean one thing, as they did not call HQ.TWA 800 was evidently a major cover up since eye witnesses saw with their own eyes a missile launch from the sea.Daniel

[vololiberista 205]

I deeply suspect terrorism as the flight was functioning for some time after loss of radio contact. Radio contact lost can only mean one thing, as they did not call HQ.TWA 800 was evidently a major cover up since eye witnesses saw with their own eyes a missile launch from the sea.Daniel

I don't agree!! Look back at the previous posts that show the images of the storms. Tropical convergence storms must be avoided at all costs at all times. Everybody did that except one a/c and that a/c went down. It is thought that the captain was not in the cockpit at the time leaving an inexperienced crew to deal with the myriad of confusing computer error messages, visual and audible warnings etc. Even if someone was able to take control of the a/c the convection current of the storm were well beyond the design of the a/c. Very little of the a/c has been discovered so many questions remain unanswered regarding the break up of the a/c.As for your theory relating to TWA800 forget it ok!!!!!!!! vololiberista

[RyanB 0]

I deeply suspect terrorism as the flight was functioning for some time after loss of radio contact.

Doubtful, venturing into a major convective storm could probably be likened to hand feeding a Kodiak bear. You're liable to to die.