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Ray Proudfoot

19 inch monitor!

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Hello fellow simmers,The following question was first posted at the PC/Hardware forum but my feeling is that here I will get more responses due to the higher traffic. Anyway, it is not such a technical question.I'm thinking to upgrade my display setting and to move from 17" to 19" monitor (CRT). I've read many reviews on such monitors but of-coarse none of them refer to the specific requirements of flight simming. I will appreciate to have your insight for the important features that I need to look for and for recommendations of specific models.Thanks,Shay

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Generally, bigger is better - if you've got the desk space ! I'd like to upgrade from my 17-inch, but don't have the room !Alastair

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Thanks all for the prompt responses.Because of space and budget restrictions, I already decided to go for 19" monitor. So my questions are mainly refers to this type of monitors.Thanks again,Shay

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Shay,I have a ViewSonic A90 19 inch and simply love it. I think that you can't go wrong with any model of ViewSonic you find is applicable.Cheers!Mitch R.

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Shay,It's difficult to answer your question without knowing what graphics card you have. The monitor and graphics card form a team and the combination is only as good as its weakest component. The beauty of a 19" monitor is the higher resolutions it can run at but if your graphics card doesn't have enough memory to support those resolutions then it's money wasted.If you have a 128Mb card then a quality 19" CRT is well worth the investment. I don't know what part of the world you live in so can't recommend specific makes. But look out for the highest refresh rates at a given resolution. That's usually the pointer of a quality display. My Iiyama 19" can support 1600*1200*32-bit colour at 85Hz. You should consider 85Hz as the minimum required to avoid screen flicker.Hope that helps.

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Have a look at the Viewsonic GS790. It's a 19" but takes up the same footprint on your desk as a 15" monitor. I'm looking at getting this one as I think my old 17" Mag is dying.

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Recently I bought a 19" Viewsonic UltraBrite A90f+ at Best Buy (my 17" Sony Trinitron, which had a beautiful picture, died within its first year). Basically I view this model as fairly average, but it has one key feature that I really appreciate--the easy-access UltraBrite on/off button on the front panel. Right now it's off, and most of the time it is when I'm writing in a document or working in a spreadsheet, etc.; if it wasn't the display would be too bright to look at. BUT, when I want to look at some digital photos or other graphics, or view a promotional video, this setting makes a big difference. Photos look a lot more lifelike with UltraBrite on--which is to say they look unnaturally dull when it's off--so I've really come to appreciate this feature. I also think it will make a big difference when I get back into PC flying when the new FS and LOMAC are released this summer.The subject of monitors comes up fairly regularly around here, and at Flightsim, so you might also try a search if you want more information. I know I've contributed to about five threads on the subject over the last couple of months.

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By odd coincidence, my 17-inch Viewsonic died the day this thread started. Snap Crackle Pop, and it smelled worse than Rice Krispies, too. HV Power Supply arc is my guess. The thing is only about 3 years old, or less. Still, I can get a 19-inch VS for about 2 and a quarter after the rebate. I wouldn't have upgraded just for the heck of it, but now that the old gray goose is dead I guess I have to. Too bad, huh? That's what I told the wife, anyway.Just as an aside, about 5 years ago I picked up a 15-inch rehab Dell at a computer show for a very good price. It's still running bright and clear, and if it weren't for that monitor I'd be flyin' blind right now...

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Ray,Thanks, it sure helps.My graphic card is ATI8500LE with 64MB and it says that ir support 1600x1200 at 85Hz. Do you think that moving to a 128MB will do a lot of different? Thanks again,Shay

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Things to look for in a CRT monitor are:Flat screenApeture Grill versus Shadow Mask (personal preference)Brightness (larger monitors are usually not as bright)Resolutions supportedDot pitch or stripe pitchAnd most importantly...refresh rate at the resolution you want to run.Refresh rates below 75Hz will cause flickering screens and make your eyes hurt. On a 19" monitor, expect 1280x1024 to be a good resolution, with 1600x1200 a close second. Make sure the monitor you get can do at least 85Hz at those resolutions.I've got an Iiyama Vision Master Pro 454. It can do 1600x1200@100Hz. It has a Diamondtron, apeture grill, natural flat, 0.25mm stripe pitch tube. It's a bit pricey but that's what you get with a higher end monitor. It also has 4 USB ports, 2 VGA inputs (if you need to connect 2 computers to it), and 2 crappy speakers (that I don't use).You can get it for about $365 + shipping.

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Hi Shay,<>A 64Mb card will be fine with a 19" monitor. It's much easier for a graphics card to deliver 1600*1200 at 85Hz - now you have to find a monitor that will display it. This is where you need to tread with care. Money spent on a quality CRT will not be wasted as it will deliver quality images for many years. My 19" Sony is 4.5 years old and is now my secondary display and still going strong. I recently bought the same monitor as Ken G (further down) - an Iiyama Pro 454 19". This is a superb monitor and I can recommend it but I'm not certain you can get these in the US.Please be aware that the quality of monitors varies enormously - hence the huge variation in prices. You get what you pay for. Only the best ones will be able to deliver 85Hz refresh rates (the guaranteed minimum to avoid screen flicker) at high resolutions such as 1600*1200. You will probably need to look at the top-of-the-range models from whatever company you choose from. I suggest you visit the web site of some manufacturers and make a short-list.128Mb will not make any difference to frame rates - the extra memory simply redraws textures quicker. 128Mb cards usually support dual displays which can be very handy for displaying moving maps, undocked panels etc. I suggest you keep the 64Mb card for a while and buy the best quality display you can afford.Hope that helps.

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>still going strong. I recently bought the same monitor as Ken>G (further down) - an Iiyama Pro 454 19". This is a superb>monitor and I can recommend it but I'm not certain you can get>these in the US.>Hi Ray,Thanks again for your insight. I think that now I'm close then ever to reach my goal. Following the questioning in the forums I've narrowed my search to two monitors who are available in my country (Israel) though not so popular: The Iiyama master pro454 or the ViewSonic P95F+. Both got similar first rate at Tom

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I have a Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 930SB . It's a black CRT flat display and it had a anti reflective coating on it so you get no reflections off the screen. I will never buy a CRT again that is not flat. This one can go up to 1920x1440@ 85hz :). There is alot more I could say about it but for $350 USD you can't go wrong with this one . Capt.Richard Dillon (KATL)www.jetstarairlines.comhttp://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpg"Lets Roll" 9/11 -----------------------Specs AMD 2400 XP MSI KTV4 768MB DDR 2100Asus GF4 ti 4200 128MBSB Audigy Gamer Ch Products Yoke and Pedals(usb)Windows XP pro SP1a

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Hi Shay,I've had a look at the P95F+ and Pro 454 and it's difficult to split them. If the Viewsonic is 20% cheaper that could make up your mind for you. If it's possible to see them in the flesh (so to speak) that would be a big help. Either way you'll be getting a very good monitor that will give you hours of enjoyment.One last thing. If you decide on a resolution of 1280*1024 for FS2002 then don't use it. Instead use 1280*960. Why? Because 640*480 times 2 give 1280*960 and will retain the correct ratio and well as improving frame rates slightly. Of course you can use 1600*1200 but the graphics card will be working really hard and you might find texture redraws a bit slow.If you buy the Viewsonic spend some of the cash you saved on something for your lady. :-)Cheers,

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I use this rule of thumb. Use the highest resolution that you can that doesn't start to reduce the frame rates to unacceptable levels (as decided by you.) Going from memory, I use 1200x900 on my GeForce2 Ti system, as higher than this and the FRs really start to drop from their "lock" of 20fps. Remember that what you set will only appear in Full-Screen Mode - the Windowed Mode resolution will be the same as your Desktop settings. Mine are set to 1152x864, so there's not a huge difference !Alastair

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Hi Clayton,As you have a 128Mb card it's unlikely you'll suffer frame rate reductions when you increase the resolution. So, go for the highest your 17" can manage whilst retaining a refresh rate of 85Hz. You need to keep the screen ratio of 1.3333:1 so compatible resolutions are: -640*480800*6001024*7681152*8641280*9601360*10201440*1080The last three are probably outside the range of a 17".Cheers,

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