October 16, 200916 yr Thanks Alex. Your central monitor gives a much narrower view than my widescreen. Without measuring it, my guess is that I get around 120 degrees which isn't bad. I've been trying to make a photoshop of the three screens but am struggling with it. Will keep trying. My flying has changed from bush to small jets and advanced turboprops like the Pilatus PC-12. I got a spin in one at an airshow in UK recently and fell in love.....:( Sorry dear! John
October 16, 200916 yr Thanks Alex. Your central monitor gives a much narrower view than my widescreen. Without measuring it, my guess is that I get around 120 degrees which isn't bad. I've been trying to make a photoshop of the three screens but am struggling with it. Will keep trying. My flying has changed from bush to small jets and advanced turboprops like the Pilatus PC-12. I got a spin in one at an airshow in UK recently and fell in love.....:( Sorry dear!John - each view in FS is designed as spanning 45
October 16, 200916 yr AlexI've attached two views both at 0.50 zoom. I understand completely what you mean by 'seem wider'. Your central view is, however, narrower than my central view as shown by the long building on the right. From the point of view of immersion, the illusion of width produced by my widescreen isn't bad, especially in 2D. Your three screens are far better of course and I wish I could set that up. Trouble is that every time I try to spread the view across three screens I end up with ugly distortions which make me feel sick.....I've added some links showing other widescreen views in 2D and VC at various zooms in case anyone is interested. VC-No Zoomhttp://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL84/140747...7/376130678.jpgVC-0,75 Zoomhttp://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL84/140747...7/376130673.jpg2D-No Zoomhttp://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL84/140747...7/376130669.jpg2D-0,75 Zoomhttp://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL84/140747...7/376130657.jpgJohn John
October 16, 200916 yr AlexI've attached two views both at 0.50 zoom. I understand completely what you mean by 'seem wider'. Your central view is, however, narrower than my central view as shown by the long building on the right. From the point of view of immersion, the illusion of width produced by my widescreen isn't bad, especially in 2D. Your three screens are far better of course and I wish I could set that up. Trouble is that every time I try to spread the view across three screens I end up with ugly distortions which make me feel sick.....---------------JohnJohn- a couple of points: multi mon/ triple views only works with 2D at 1.0 Zoom. Any other zoom makes it impossible to synch the 3 views.Just to show the magic of multiple monitors I've attached a screenshot with your 2D pics on my outer mons (left mon is your .75 zoom out, right mon is your 1.0 zoom) and middle mon shows my same airplane @1.0 zoom on a 4:3 ratio monitor. Interesting comparison between 4:3 and Wide Screen monitors which appear to contain ALMOST identical scenery elements. I have the FS scenery settings a bit higher than yours so slightly more detail in mine (centre mon).(The 47.7 FPS - centre mon- is not bad for a 6 year old computer!!! The magic of multiple GPUs & monitors at work!)You might wish to drag the right edge of your panel toward the left a bit- shrinking it laterally so the the gauges are round not 'ovalized'. That will leave a bit of space for a popup such as COM panel to fill out the full width of your wide mon. Very handy.Finally- don't try to "spread the view across------". You must open new views, undock them and drag to another mon. Then resize to fit and now change those views to Left or Right Fwd via the numeric KB.Regards Alex ReidLeft- Widescreen mon @ .75 zoom, Middle- 4:3 mon @ 1.0 zoom, Right- Widescreen mon @ 1.0 zoom. All at Duluth Int.- R27.
October 17, 200916 yr These are interesting comparisons, Alex. I've got used to the ovalised gauges and they don't bother me at all but I would like the option of your three screen views. I have tried to do it and failed! First problem I have is re-sizing the undocked views to give a continuous horizon as in your post above. I get ugly distorted views which do not mate with the centre view. Obviously I lack your wizard touch when it comes to this kind of stuff. Thanks for your help. BTW, I admire your carpentry skills too. I guess there's no change of you making a trip to the dark north with your toolkit? John HubbardReykjavik, Iceland John
October 17, 200916 yr These are interesting comparisons, Alex. I've got used to the ovalised gauges and they don't bother me at all but I would like the option of your three screen views. I have tried to do it and failed! First problem I have is re-sizing the undocked views to give a continuous horizon as in your post above. I get ugly distorted views which do not mate with the centre view. Obviously I lack your wizard touch when it comes to this kind of stuff. Thanks for your help. BTW, I admire your carpentry skills too. I guess there's no change of you making a trip to the dark north with your toolkit? John HubbardReykjavik, IcelandHi John- Not sure if you refer to 3 views on 1 screen or 2-3 views on 2-3 monitors. The first (3 on 1) is possible by shrinking the main view to 1/3 of the screen width, then adding the two (also shrunken) extra views (VFwdL & VFwdR) on each side. Generally alignment of the horizons is accomplished very simply via Panel Config adjustments although you can also align horizons simply by dragging the view bottom edges up/down as needed.. But be aware that 3 views on one monitor requires quite a bit of computer horespower. Better approach is 2 monitors via main Video card and a third via a second Video card- which doesn't have to be identical but must be able to use the same driver as main card. For a lengthy discussion of setting up multi mons, see a thread "Mixing video cards" in this same AVSIM forum- Hardware Discussion/ Video Cards & Drivers- started by Bonanza Pilot on July 28 2009.---------Would love to visit Iceland. I have strong memories of a Vancouver/Heathrow sim flight in the PMDG 747. In early dawn,not so long after passing Iceland to port on left monitor, some very distant land showed up on the right monitor- where I thought there should only be North Atlantic ocean. Some nervous minutes later, it dawned on me- Ireland of course!! Right on track! The wide triple mon sim panorama was unforgettable!Regards Alex Reid Vancouver Island
October 17, 200916 yr Hi John- Not sure if you refer to 3 views on 1 screen or 2-3 views on 2-3 monitors. The first (3 on 1) is possible by shrinking the main view to 1/3 of the screen width, then adding the two (also shrunken) extra views (VFwdL & VFwdR) on each side. Generally alignment of the horizons is accomplished very simply via Panel Config adjustments although you can also align horizons simply by dragging the view bottom edges up/down as needed.. But be aware that 3 views on one monitor requires quite a bit of computer horespower. Better approach is 2 monitors via main Video card and a third via a second Video card- which doesn't have to be identical but must be able to use the same driver as main card. For a lengthy discussion of setting up multi mons, see a thread "Mixing video cards" in this same AVSIM forum- Hardware Discussion/ Video Cards & Drivers- started by Bonanza Pilot on July 28 2009.---------Would love to visit Iceland. I have strong memories of a Vancouver/Heathrow sim flight in the PMDG 747. In early dawn,not so long after passing Iceland to port on left monitor, some very distant land showed up on the right monitor- where I thought there should only be North Atlantic ocean. Some nervous minutes later, it dawned on me- Ireland of course!! Right on track! The wide triple mon sim panorama was unforgettable!Regards Alex Reid Vancouver IslandI meant three views on three monitors - same as yours. My PC is pretty powerful but from what I read I doubt it could handle three views on one screen. I'll give it a try just to see. Thanks for the Bonanza Pilot tip. If you want to visit Iceland, or indeed Ireland, I'd not leave it too long. Both countries are going down the tube...fast! John
October 17, 200916 yr I meant three views on three monitors - same as yours. My PC is pretty powerful but from what I read I doubt it could handle three views on one screen. I'll give it a try just to see. Thanks for the Bonanza Pilot tip. If you want to visit Iceland, or indeed Ireland, I'd not leave it too long. Both countries are going down the tube...fast!John, Can you drag your cursor from far left of one monitor to far right of the other mon? like it's all one wide desktop? If so you should be able to run dual or triple views. Key square left bracket to create a new view, then Undock it & drag it to the secondary monitor, then use the cursor to drag side edges so it is full monitor width.Key (with Num Lock on), Control & either Numeric KB 7 or 9. (Forward left or forward right views). (keying Control locks the new view- otherwise it reverts to View Fwd when you release the 7/9 key. Repeat this process for a third monitor.Assuming your monitors are physically side by side, you should have two different views but with the horizons totally misaligned. Drag the new view to top of the screen- then drag the bottom edge of the view on the secondary mon, up or down until both horizons are aligned. The secondary view(s) can be increased/decreased in height with simple adjustments in Panel Config but that's another lesson. See the Bonanza Pilot thread for full details on all this.Hope this helps.Alex Reid(Have visited Ireland a couple of times, never made it to Iceland. Trying to drive on the left side of Irish roads got exciting a couple of times- which side for cars in Iceland?)
October 17, 200916 yr John, Can you drag your cursor from far left of one monitor to far right of the other mon? like it's all one wide desktop? If so you should be able to run dual or triple views. Key square left bracket to create a new view, then Undock it & drag it to the secondary monitor, then use the cursor to drag side edges so it is full monitor width.Key (with Num Lock on), Control & either Numeric KB 7 or 9. (Forward left or forward right views). (keying Control locks the new view- otherwise it reverts to View Fwd when you release the 7/9 key. Repeat this process for a third monitor.Assuming your monitors are physically side by side, you should have two different views but with the horizons totally misaligned. Drag the new view to top of the screen- then drag the bottom edge of the view on the secondary mon, up or down until both horizons are aligned. The secondary view(s) can be increased/decreased in height with simple adjustments in Panel Config but that's another lesson. See the Bonanza Pilot thread for full details on all this.Thanks again. I can move my cursor from far right centre screen to far left 2nd monitor (on the left). The rest I will try tomorrow. I have a way to go before I can join the WideView Club though. I can only run two screens off my FS PC at the moment so I need another graphics card. I have NVIDIA so I guess if I use another NVIDIA type it will be ok??? Also, my CRTs are burned out and I must replace them. There's a good deal on a Ilyama LCD 19 inch with 5:4 aspect. Will two of these do the job or would I be better with 4:3? They have fully adjustable and swivable bases which would be an advantage. You'd feel at home - we drive on the right but out of the towns it hardly matters...like Alaska. John John
October 17, 200916 yr Thanks again. I can move my cursor from far right centre screen to far left 2nd monitor (on the left). The rest I will try tomorrow. I have a way to go before I can join the WideView Club though. I can only run two screens off my FS PC at the moment so I need another graphics card. I have NVIDIA so I guess if I use another NVIDIA type it will be ok??? Also, my CRTs are burned out and I must replace them. There's a good deal on a Ilyama LCD 19 inch with 5:4 aspect. Will two of these do the job or would I be better with 4:3? They have fully adjustable and swivable bases which would be an advantage. You'd feel at home - we drive on the right but out of the towns it hardly matters...like Alaska. JohnJohn- It appears that any old graphics card will work for a second card- as long as it will work with your present GPU driver. That means same family type. Also be sure it is compatible with your mother board.I don't think there is much to choose on monitors since you end up up adjusting the images to suit the available screen real estate. It's an advantage to have similarity in all 3 monitors- but mine are: main mon is a 9 yr old 19" CRT, left is an ACER 17 4:3 LCD, right an IBM 17 4:3 LCD with hydraulic swivel base which has proved very handy. My outer LCD monitors overlap the case of the CRT to reduce the amount of bezel separation. The objective is that "faces" of the mons intersect at their side edges.A little colour balancing on all makes them hard to distinguish from each other.You probably will need to shim bases with thin wood or cardboard strips to keep all mons fully touching on their side edges if you use any tilt. I do. It makes the outer mons twist up on their outer sides which looks odd but with the outer mons angled toward you to keep everything square to your eyes- it all works out nicely! Got a friend or neighbour who has an old CRT as a give away? Ireland has an informal understanding that a car passing another has the right of way over traffic coming toward him. You have the obligation to get over onto the paved shoulder to avoid the oncoming passing car! A bit disconcerting to visitors- espec at closing speeds of 120 mph! Only in Ireland!!!Alex Reid
October 18, 200916 yr AlexI followed your instructions above and produced what you see here on 2 monitors only. I did not take too much trouble with bezels at this stage but the left screen is angled in to be square to the pilot. I wanted to see if I could get something I could work with - something near yours. The horizons are aligned but nothing else. It seems from the Bonanza pilot thread that the panel.cfg must be modified for each aircraft? to make the views on the side screens the correct size - so that they merge seamlessly into a unified panoroma. Can you enlighten me about this? Once I have my new LCDs I will need figures to apply for xxx, yyy, zzz in the VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT(RIGHT) sections. I agree about the driving arrangements in the south of Ireland. They are supposed to drive on the left but this seems not to be generally known outside the main towns. John
October 18, 200916 yr AlexI followed your instructions above and produced what you see here on 2 monitors only. I did not take too much trouble with bezels at this stage but the left screen is angled in to be square to the pilot. I wanted to see if I could get something I could work with - something near yours. The horizons are aligned but nothing else. It seems from the Bonanza pilot thread that the panel.cfg must be modified for each aircraft? to make the views on the side screens the correct size - so that they merge seamlessly into a unified panoroma. Can you enlighten me about this? Once I have my new LCDs I will need figures to apply for xxx, yyy, zzz in the VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT(RIGHT) sections.John- you are making good progress! Next step is to adjust the height of the secondary view to be of some usefulness. But first, a tech note!It seems all FS9 default airplanes use their virtual view as the 2D view. That's why you can see a quite useless window frame in the left 2D view which spoils the effect. These "artifacts" can be removed with a Hex editor- a friend did so for me with the KingAir, but it is beyond my knowhow. Search the forums on "Hex Editor" for some explanations a long time ago.As far as I know, most/all addon planes do not have this problem-ie views forward left/right are clean- no garbage. Needless to say, addon planes are a lot easier to set up for multi mons-----------Yes, you do adjust Panel Config for each aircraft. Not a big deal after the first one!! Second problem with default planes is that MicroSoft didn't include the necessary lines in PanelCfg to adjust things for multi mons. Good news is they can easily be added. Here is a pic of the vital part of the Panel Config for FS9 default King Air. Sorry it seems so small. Hope you can read it.There are 8 lines added in total starting at "Fixed Window35=----". The two lines that show "EYE" can be ignored so really only 6 lines to add.Two lines- FixedWindow35 (&36) define the new lines being added. The reason for using high numbers 35/36 is to ensure they don't conflict with other window #s. Add the 2 lines for each new window- using caps or lower case exactly as shown. (remember you don't need the "eye" line)Here is the secret- In the line VIEW_FWD_RIGHT_DIR= x,y,zx is the height of the view, +- y is the twist of the view which you likely won't bother with and +-z is the view angle shift for bezel adjustment. Increasing x will increase that view height and then drag the bottom up/down to align the horizon- trial and error process to your satisfaction.You must save changes to PCfg, then restart that flight to see the effect.The x values used in this example create a quite narrow right fwd view above my dummy panel popups- and a somewhat deeper pic on the left mon. Here is the result- (Every plane will be different except for z -bezel width correction which is common for all.)It's always difficult to explain a graphics problem in words- I hope this will point you in the right direction. That prior thread by Bonanza Pilot should help.Alex Reid
October 19, 200916 yr Bill, I have a full size LJ45 sim and currently am running only 1 800x600 projector although I own two more projectors at the same resolution. I really only need to purchase a TH2Go, but have considered the benefits of a large LCD/LED TV or even 3 running on a TH2Go. What are your thoughts on running 3 42" screens off of a Triple Head 2 Go? Would there be an issue with the supported resolutions?Hi Eric, Sorry for taking so long to reply, but I haven't been online for a few days. I don't think a TH2Go will support 3 42" screens. The newer digital version may however support 3 32", although I am not sure about this. Have you thought about trying to use your other 2 projectors with a TH2Go, and create a wrap around view? That would be quite the imersion if it were possible. The ultimate would be to use your 3 projectors and have Forward, Forward Right, and Forward Left views, if your computer could handle it.Bill
October 19, 200916 yr Hi Eric, --------------- The ultimate would be to use your 3 projectors and have Forward, Forward Right, and Forward Left views, if your computer could handle it.BillBill- doesn't take much of a computer to display those triple views since the CPU will time share the views. I've been running synched triple views for years with an ancient AMD 1.8GHz & 2 GeForce FX5200 cards. Adjust the FS settings for a steady 30-50 FPS with a single mon, and you should be able to run triple views OK.Triple projectors should work just as well as 3 monitors. Consider a curved screen to ensure every point on it is square to the "pilot's" eyes. In the same way that secondary monitors should be angled to maintain squareness to the pilot's eyes. If you don't, the horizon will bend (not maintain a straight line) as the aircraft rolls.(Since there are no vertically curved (concave) monitors, sadly, the horizon will always bend in airplane pitch up/down. Unless with projectors you had a spherically shaped screen- similar to the inside of a large balloon! After all, that's how we see a real cloud overhead- our brains see the world as if projected on the inside of a giant sphere! )Alex Reid
October 19, 200916 yr Hi Alex and BillWell, being in the full size home cockpit world, I know a way around the horizon issue- it's called SOL7, and it's not cheap, but a great solution to this issue. However, my main issue is that while I do have 3 projectors and it's easy enough to save for the TH2Go, the projectors are all 800x600. However, I may just try it anyway to see what it looks like, as Im already running an 800x600 projector now in 1024x768 so really I guess it wont really matter if Im happy with the way it looks now, right? The other issue is fully enclosing the sim- I will simply change my enclosure once the TH2go is purchased. Eric Tomlin Full Size LJ45 Sim Builder Hangar45.net/ FlightLevel180.org "Is this FSX or FS9, I can't tell anymore???"
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